Pastor Leads Christian Movement Opposing Homosexual Agenda in NC Schools

American Family Association ^ | December 15, 2003 | Jim Brown

[little jeremiah]

Please show some evidence that Jesus approved of same sex acts. That's your stand, right? That Jesus would approve of homosexuality? If that is indeed your position, please back it up with statements from the Bible. We're all ears. (So to speak.)

[scripter]

templar said they won't be posting to you anymore, and I can certainly see why somebody wouldn't want to spend their valuable time with someone who only wants to waste time and play games. What templar said still stands. Jesus condemned all sex outside of marriage, both hetero or homosexual and you know it, but you'll play this little ambiguous game and support the homosexual agenda while you can.

[WackyKat]

He also adhered to the morality as taught in the Old Testament. So anyone who is not disingenuous knows that Jesus would not be promoting homosexuality.

Your argument appears to be that since Jesus supposedly followed all the tenets of OT morality, that we must do so also in modern America

I wonder, little Jeremiah, do you eat shellfish?

Do you shave the corners of your beard?

Do you cover your head in church?

Would you force your daughter to marry the man who had raped her?

Would you stone an adulteress to death?

All these rules are mandated by OT law, aren't they?And don't respond that Jesus' sacrifice has freed us from the law, because you just argued that we have to follow the law because Jesus did.

It's up to you (O Wacky one) to show us how Jesus accepted same sex behavior as morally acceptable.

No, it's not

We are not discussing what rules will be followed in a Christian school, we are discussing the policy of a public school. Many people in public schools are not Christian, and even many Christians do not agree with you on the issue

[applemac_g4]

I wonder if Jesus Christ, who spent much of his time with the sick, the poor, prostitutes,criminals, drunkards and other outcasts, would take the same position?

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Actually, no. He wouldn't Jesus would simply kill unrepentent homosexual students and be done with it.

Second coming/Sodom & Gomorrah ping.

[little jeremiah]

Very clever, O Wacky one.

As I said up the thread, anyone who is NOT disingenuous knows that Jesus did not (does not) condone or approve of sex acts outside of marriage, as noted by Scripter.
If anyone wants to disregard Jesus' message in this regard (or the same or similar messages in other religious books and by other religious or holy teachers), they are free to do so. God has given us the gift of free will, to use in His service or in rebellion to Him.

But to act against His direction, while pretending to ourselves or others that we are obeying Him, is not only stupid, it's dangerous.

[Miss Maam]

"Think not that I have come to abolish the Law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them. For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away [Note: heaven and earth are still here, so The Law must be too], not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these Commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." (Matthew 5:17-19 RSV)

[scripter]

I wonder if Jesus Christ, who spent much of his time with the sick, the poor, prostitutes,criminals, drunkards and other outcasts, would take the same position?

Jesus did hang out with the above. But here you want to misdirect the discussion. For what did Jesus say to the Pharisees when they questioned him about with whom he ate?

Well?

Here, the synpotics tell us just what Jesus said in response. If you're not willing to click that link, I'll tell you what Jesus said. He said: It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. Yes, the sick. Jesus compared sinners to the sick, those who needed help, yet here you are apparently trying to say something else, contradicting what Jesus said.

[scripter]

To quote you from post 11: I'm waiting, but all I hear are crickets. It seems you're only interested in playing games and wasting time when it comes to the issues of homosexuality. Stop supporting the homosexual agenda on this forum.

[WackyKat]

Jesus spent a lot more time condemning the Pharisees, the scribes, the lawyers, the moneylenders and the powerful and smug in general than he did the people of low standing with whom he spent most of his time

Who do you think he favored?

The question is :would Jesus be for or against a policy of treating gay teenagers the same as other students?

I know what I believe the answer to that question to be

[scripter]

Nice attempt at misdirection. You said The question is when that is not the question at all. In post 4 you asked Kuksool:

I wonder if Jesus Christ, who spent much of his time with the sick, the poor, prostitutes,criminals, drunkards and other outcasts, would take the same position?

Jesus called the above sinners. Jesus spent much of his time with the above because he considered them sick and in need of a doctor. That's what you apparently want to ignore, and that's exactly what this boils down to. So go peddle the homosexual agenda somewhere else.

[At _War_With_Liberals]

"So the Rev. Baity supports discrimination against gay students."

Ahh. Social liberal. Shilling for the homosexual agenda by implying it is noble and straightforward... the opposite of what it is. It has nothing to do with fairness, and everyone on FR knows it.

[scripter]

'nite. And keep up the great work.

[Louisiana]

You nailed it succintly. Homos are sin sick bump.

[little jeremiah]

The question is :would Jesus be for or against a policy of treating gay teenagers the same as other students?

I notice you did not address any of the comments I made...I wonder why.

Another point: how are the "gay" teenagers being treated any differently from the normal teenagers? Are they made to wear pink triangles? Forced to listen to Madonna? Forced to wear lipstick or shave their heads? What is the different treatment that they are now recieving that you want them not to receive? You are operating on a false platform, solely to promote homosexuality. Why don't you be straightforward (no pun intended) instead of pretending that you know or care what Jesus or God says about anything?

Why not just say that you think same sex sodomy is the equivalent to marraige between a man and a woman and be done with it?

[PleaseNoMore]

In Jesus' own words, "When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am [he], and [that] I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things." ( John 8 )

We know what God says about homosexuality. You think that Jesus would disobey the teachings of His Father?

[little jeremiah]

Thanks - good night to you!

[Major_Risktaker]

Your are a Wacky Kat....

So the Rev. Baity supports discrimination against gay students.

I wonder if Jesus Christ, who spent much of his time with the sick, the poor, prostitutes,criminals, drunkards and other outcasts, would take the same position?

JC had some political position and paid the price. Besides, homosexuality is a mental disorder Wacky Kat and Rev. Baity has guts to speak the truth..

Rome allowed conquered people to keep their Gods and their customs. So who did JC upset so much and why?

The Gay, Lesbian, and Straight Education Network (GLSEN) with their "sexual orientation" and "gender identity" policy would have never survived in this time period.

[John O]

In Jesus' own words, "When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am [he], and [that] I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things." ( John 8 )

We know what God says about homosexuality. You think that Jesus would disobey the teachings of His Father?

Wackykat,

Expanding on what PNM posted.

John 14:10 states that the Father is in Jesus and Jesus is in the Father.

Scripture shows us that Jesus is one with the Father. Jesus is God. God wrote the OT. So Jesus wrote the OT.

So if you want to see where Jesus spoke about homosexuality, Read Lev 18:22 (for example).

Also, the entire NT is given by the inspiration of God. It is written by God using men as his writing instruments. So if you want to see where Jesus talked about homosexuality, read Romans 1:27 (for example).

Not knowing that Jesus is the author of the scriptures is an error in your education that hopefully we've cleared up here. Now lets move on to the error in your understanding.

There is no such thing as a 'gay' teenager. There are teenagers who are afflicted with Same-sex Attraction Disorder (SAD) (evidenced by the practice of homosexual behavior) but there are no teenagers who have homosexual behavior as an immutable characteristic. This behavior occurs as a result of mental disease caused by trauma and is totally curable.

So it is foolishness to talk of 'gay' teenagers as anyting other than teenagers. Jesus would treat these teenagers engaging in sinful behavior the same way he'd treat any other sinful behavior: "Go and sin no more"

[John O]

We are not discussing what rules will be followed in a Christian school, we are discussing the policy of a public school. Many people in public schools are not Christian, and even many Christians do not agree with you on the issue

No we were discussing how Jesus would treat people who practiced homosexual behavior. And you brought Jesus into the conversation so don't whine about it (it's unbecoming)

If people accept homosexuality as an acceptable practice then I am extremely doubtful that they are Christian. In order to follow Christ (which is what Christian means, follower of Christ) then you have to follow His teachings. Rejecting part of His teachings is rejecting Christ. The Word of God is inseparable from the word of God.

[ArGee]

That is good news, but I hope no member of the school board actually said:

"We've been wondering where the churches are at."

:)

Shalom.