Parents can teach kids to stop abductions

CNN ^ | 2-5-04 | N/A

[JustPiper]

The key to remaining safe lies in not leaving the place where the abductor approaches a child, said Bob Stuber of the Texas-based Escape School, which runs educational programs across the United States.

A kidnapper "wants to get out somewhere by himself," said Stuber, a former police officer and founder of the Escape School. "He may threaten the child, but he's not going to hurt the child right there. That's not what this is about. That takes place later."

[JustPiper]

Another great source for teaching kids and teens the ropes is:

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Parents, loved ones , I urge you to read,save this thread and teach it to your children well, please!

[Steve Eisenberg]

Utter nonsense. There is no scientific basis to know what child behaviors will work here, and if we knew there would be no way to teach it reliably.

[JustPiper]

As a parent whose child was almost abducted in front of my eyes, I know it's true! These methods were instilled into my children and in my case it worked. You hear of many survivor's who attest to tips, so I have no idea what you mean.

[Steve Eisenberg]

"If you hold that bike, and do not let go, it's impossible to put you in a car," Stuber said.

This underestimates the strength of a desparate and determined adult, and any kidnapper is going to be VERY desparate and determined.

If locked in a trunk, remove the taillight panel which comes off easily, and disconnect the taillight wires. "Now you increased the odds 50 percent that the police will pull the car over because it has not brake or tail lights," Stuber said, "then they will hear you inside."

50 percent of what? It takes weeks on average for the police to notice. This 50 percent figure is the smoking gun proving the irresponsibility of this advice.

Adults are responsible for not being kidnappers. Children are not responsible for their own kidnapping.

[JustPiper]

Carlie Brucia, 11
SARASOTA, Florida (CNN) -- The video of a man who approached 11-year-old Carlie Brucia in a carwash parking lot led to the arrest of Joseph Smith, according to a woman who lives with him.

[JustPiper]

Who is saying children are responsible for their own kidnapping, that is ludicrous! But if it comes down to the creep and the child, you mean to tell me you would rather your child not have some idea(s) what to do?!

[savedbygrace]

Always rotate the arm to break free of the grip if restrained.

Also, rotate TOWARD the abducter's thumb. It's usually a weaker grip on that side than the other.

[JustPiper]

Ping!

[fini]

While I agree that they don't state any scientific data, what they do state seems pretty reasonable. While I don't think all of it will work every time nor in every situation, it does seem to give some good techniques. Techniques that can be used depending upon the situation. I believe that a satisfactory plan implemented quickly is usually better than a great plan implemented after great deliberation.

[Steve Eisenberg]

But if it comes down to the creep and the child, you mean to tell me you would rather your child not have some idea(s) what to do?!

JustPiper, I read articles on this kind of thing years ago, before the internet, so I doubt I can find any links. Anyway, these ideas for children resisting kidnappers are based on feminist ideas for how women should resist rapists. There is no body of evidence indicating it works for kids. Even if the teaching is right, studies of these programs showed that the children wildly misinterpret what they are taught.

I want the kidnappers to be scared, not my kids. This kind of program is just going to create fear because sensible children will know full well that they can't fend off an adult. Freepers of all people should know what it takes to deal with this kind of person (hint: 2nd amendment).

[JustPiper]

And you know none of these things will work because? Have you visited ChildLures? How do you protect your kids?

[marktwain]

• If the abductor shows a gun, run. No matter what the person says, keep running. There is only a slim chance they will try to shoot you. Firing a gun draws attention.

This is excellent advise. I have told this to my own kids, and my brother the peace officer to his. There have been more than one instance where two children were approached and threatened with a gun. One ran, the other complied with the threat. Only the runner survived. Running from the threat of a gun is excellent advise, especially for a child.

If the child had a gun to resist with, run to cover then shoot the person who pursues you.

Unfortunately, a great many states have legislated that children must be unarmed victims. Children in school are now not even allowed to have a pocket knife!

[LWalk18]

And what would you suggest? A stranger who is attempting to take a child is planning to kill them. Making an effort to escape is common sense- no scientific research is necessary. Better to be killed by gunshot attempting to run away (worst case scenario) then being raped, tortured, and then murdered. The only problem is getting kids to act logically while facing a gun or other force- easier said than done. But it is better than doing nothing.

[JustPiper]

Anyway, these ideas for children resisting kidnappers are based on feminist ideas for how women should resist rapists.

[JustPiper]

I know I resent Steve's feminist remark, that has nothing to do with teaching our children how to protect themselves when we are not there. I guess we just hide them in the house or put them in the yard and pray no one will approach them. Better yet how many kids, young girls, even babies are stolen right out of their home?

[2nd amendment mama]

Freepers of all people should know what it takes to deal with this kind of person (hint: 2nd amendment)

Unfortunately most of these incidents happen when no one is around to see it and children don't go around carrying a gun. Would you rather we don't teach our children because these methods "have no scientific basis". Your advice is "utter nonsense"!!!!!

[secret garden]

Self defense techniques work, whether used by children or women. They are instructed in their usage during martial arts classes. Practice is key, so the reaction becomes automatic.

[SouthernClaire]

I didn't read the entire article. Didn't need to in order to reach an opinion on that written during the first bit.

I have a daughter.

I have a daughter who was put through a sad, but necessary, bit of education.

She cried. (No parent wants to see that.)

She screamed, "This isn't FAIR!"

Exactly. "That's the point."

It's sad but true that we, as parents, can almost adapt to our children watching such as MTV, etc., but be shy about slamming them, grabbing them, in an attempt to get across life-saving points. Too harmful... too humiliating. "School admin wouldn't approve..."

Let me please, time and time again, humiliate mine to the point she realizes a life-saving strategy.

Is it fair? Hell, no. But that's the world in which we live because WE have decided that what's shown to our kids will never effect "us" personally.

Right.

We now find ourselves protecting our loved ones against the very things we thought wrong but not so wrong as to raise a voice against.

It's a sad day... for all of us. For our little innocents the most, though. My goodness, what have they done other than be brought into this world?

The next time any of us decide that it's all a matter of "freedom of speech" and the extension of that liberty, imagine another taking liberty with it and liberty with a child.... your child .... "'cuz it's all ok... just take a look around my world... it's a freedom of speech, of art, don't you see?"

I'm ranting, I know. Sorry. But it hurts so to see people get filthy in blaming others for what they've, themselves, contributed to.

In that I mean, it's great to them that their own are protected and that seems good enough. Well, it's not.

There are some kids who need moms and dads watching for them. Looking for them on their way from the school bus to the house. Watching and asking questions.

Just like those "good, old days" I used hear about.

They're kids, for crying out loud. Babies, even. We have now people literally yanking them from the streets. Then we all rely on Amber Alerts, blame the cops if not found, blame the parents, ....

Yah. Ask ourselves who has sat back and said, 'never will this effect me and mine?

God Bless the Little Ones,

C.

[JustPiper]

A very powerful post Claire!

[JustPiper]

Have at it Rebel Rouser ;) My kinda girl!