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Saddam's Ambassador to al Qaeda
The Weekly Standard ^ | March 1, 2004 | Jonathan Schanzer

Posted on 02/20/2004 9:01:42 PM PST by RWR8189

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To: Richard Axtell
Now you agree with the neocons?

Furtherest thing from my mind...

61 posted on 02/22/2004 6:23:44 PM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice.)
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To: billbears
I'm not sure how you make the leap from Iraqi support of terrorists in N. Iraq (and others) back to 9/11, but the article you link is rife with errors. One being a link to a 21 October 2002 NewsMax article claiming the BIS had withdrawn it's claim of the Prague Atta/al-Ani meet.

The last statement to date was made on October 26th, 2002 by Ambassador Kmonicek, who who was deputy Foreign Minister at the time and served the expulsion notice on al-Ani. He flatly told the Prague Post that "the meeting took place" and that "the Czech government collected detailed evidence of the al-Ani/Atta meeting." If anything, the government had confirmed the intelligence. link

62 posted on 02/22/2004 7:50:40 PM PST by optimistically_conservative (This tagline recently seen at Taglinus FreeRepublicus)
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To: billbears
The man oppressed Islamic fundamentalists.

No, Hussein oppressed Shiites. However, if you have evidence of Hussein oppressing Sunni/Wahabi Islamists, and not building Mosques of War in deferrence to his loyal Islamists ...


63 posted on 02/22/2004 7:59:10 PM PST by optimistically_conservative (This tagline recently seen at Taglinus FreeRepublicus)
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To: billbears
This war was begun on three premises:

1. Iraq had violated its cease fire obligations and numerous UN resolutions over 12 years, posing a threat in its continued pursuit and suspected stockpiling of WMD.

2. Iraq had ties to terrorists, including Abu Abbas, Abu Nidal, Palestinian terror groups and AQ.

3. Iraq was committing human rights abuses that rivaled those in Nazi Germany and Stalin's Russia.

Those were the three sections of Powell's brief to the UN and were made repeatedly by Bush and his administration.
64 posted on 02/22/2004 8:04:00 PM PST by optimistically_conservative (This tagline recently seen at Taglinus FreeRepublicus)
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To: optimistically_conservative
quoting CBS for source information now? I know the article I quoted came from Time but come on...Although I'm not sure how building a mosque is bowing to fundamentalists either.
65 posted on 02/22/2004 8:04:40 PM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice.)
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To: billbears
quoting CBS for source information now?

I don't think so, where?

Although I'm not sure how building a mosque is bowing to fundamentalists either.

Uhhh, ok, why then? If Bush orders the federal government to build a church in the South, you wouldn't be sure he was bowing or pandering to fundamentalist Christians?

66 posted on 02/22/2004 8:08:40 PM PST by optimistically_conservative (This tagline recently seen at Taglinus FreeRepublicus)
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To: Shermy; Diogenesis
Ambassador to al Qaeda


The guy in the red is thinking Happy thoughts of the U.S...

67 posted on 02/22/2004 8:12:11 PM PST by Light Speed
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To: optimistically_conservative
1. Iraq had violated its cease fire obligations and numerous UN resolutions over 12 years, posing a threat in its continued pursuit and suspected stockpiling of WMD.

To date have not been found. Of course this is the President's man who said that he did not believe there was a massive buildup in the 90s and still couldn't find the weapons from before the first Gulf War

2. Iraq had ties to terrorists, including Abu Abbas, Abu Nidal, Palestinian terror groups and AQ

Of course one meeting and a supposed visit from one terrorist ties this altogether does it?

At the same time, however, the letter, excerpts of which were published by the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) and the Weekly Standard, tends to debunk several of the neo-conservatives' own myths.

First, it contains no suggestion at all of any preexisting cooperation or relationship between ousted Iraqi president Saddam Hussein and either Zarqawi or al-Qaeda, as the neo-conservatives have long contended.

It expresses great disappointment at the absence of al-Qaeda in Iraq, a disappointment that undermines the administration's insistence that it is that group that is behind a growing number of attacks in Iraq.

Neocons Undermined By Zarqawi Letter

Letter in reference

3. Iraq was committing human rights abuses that rivaled those in Nazi Germany and Stalin's Russia.

And so are China, North Korea, probably a few Southeast Asian nations, and more than a few African nations as well. Have the Wilsonians drawn up an invasion plan for all those nations too?

68 posted on 02/22/2004 8:12:23 PM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice.)
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To: billbears
When the WMD are brought here and used, you'll come around.
69 posted on 02/22/2004 8:15:37 PM PST by Consort
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To: optimistically_conservative
I don't think so, where?

Good grief, do you even find out where your sources come from? The picture you hyperlinked, the first story at the bottom is sourced as CBS, the second is sourced as the BBC

Uhhh, ok, why then? If Bush orders the federal government to build a church in the South, you wouldn't be sure he was bowing or pandering to fundamentalist Christians?

One, Bush couldn't do that. No religion favored at the national level. However, there was no limitations originally at the state level, so if the governor of the state of North Carolina wants to start building churches more power to him. Unlike Iraq, it's in our Constitution. However, in what amounts to a dictatorship/theocracy, I imagine to stay in the good graces of the Islamics one should build a monument once in a while. Mind you it's to a false god but that's their business.

70 posted on 02/22/2004 8:17:19 PM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice.)
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To: Consort
Of course, right after they get them out of underground garages in the deserts of Iraq, Iran, Syria. I'm sorry, I've forgotten where the latest excuse for not finding them place these WMDs have gone. When they do find them, how long do you think it will be until they're able to provide a rocket delivery system for them to get here?
71 posted on 02/22/2004 8:20:32 PM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice.)
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To: Chairman Fred
To the Left, there is no such thing as "fact", there is only opinion. There is no such thing as "right", there is only power.

well said.

...no such thing as "conviction," only strategy.

72 posted on 02/22/2004 8:24:41 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: billbears
Good grief, do you even find out where your sources come from? The picture you hyperlinked, the first story at the bottom is sourced as CBS, the second is sourced as the BBC

LOL, that constitutes a quote? I could have gotten that pic anywhere but OK, I'll try to hotlink pics that have no stories nearby with stories from unapproved sources. Was there anything in those stories you found objectionable?

However, in what amounts to a dictatorship/theocracy, I imagine to stay in the good graces of the Islamics one should build a monument once in a while.

Careful, that sounds awfully close to a retraction of the violent secular dictatorship claim made previously.

73 posted on 02/22/2004 8:24:58 PM PST by optimistically_conservative (This tagline recently seen at Taglinus FreeRepublicus)
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To: billbears
Of course this is the President's man who said that he did not believe there was a massive buildup in the 90s and still couldn't find the weapons from before the first Gulf War

Kay? Not sure what you mean here.

On the second point, Lobe fails the logic test. If the letter had stated all those missing ingredients lamenting the arrest of their buddy and long time associate Saddam who financed and trained the gloriously 9/11 martyrs it would have been (rightly) deemed a fake.

But logic has never been a strong point at that site.

And so are China, North Korea, probably a few Southeast Asian nations, and more than a few African nations as well. Have the Wilsonians drawn up an invasion plan for all those nations too?

Yep, guaranteed there are dusty OPLANS updated bi-annually for each and every nation to include forced entry and FID.

Are you advocating we go there? What would we gain? Are these the homelands of AQ training, financing, recruiting and export to the West?

74 posted on 02/22/2004 8:33:28 PM PST by optimistically_conservative (This tagline recently seen at Taglinus FreeRepublicus)
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To: billbears
...how long do you think it will be until they're able to provide a rocket delivery system for them to get here?

We're not talking rocket science here. If it's a nuclear device, a suitcase will do. If it's bio, a vile might do. If it needs to be airborne, a crop duster or hijacked airliner will do. You don't need a rocket to poison a reservior. Enough conventional explosives on a ship in a busy harbor can do a lot damage. Yes? No?

75 posted on 02/22/2004 8:49:48 PM PST by Consort
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To: billbears
It's not on me to prove anything.

Sure it is. You tell me you have evidence, and I ask you to produce it.

Then you can't or don't.

76 posted on 02/23/2004 4:47:41 AM PST by Coop ("Hero" is the last four-letter word I'd use to describe John Kerry)
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To: FBD
There has never been a question that Saddam's government had "links" (an ill defined term) to terrorism.

Why are you moving the 'goal posts'?
77 posted on 02/23/2004 5:42:26 AM PST by JohnGalt ("...but both sides know who the real enemy is, and, my friends, it is us.')
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To: JohnGalt
"There has never been a question that Saddam's government had "links" (an ill defined term) to terrorism. Why are you moving the 'goal posts'?"

That Saddam supported al Qaeda terrorists wasn't questioned?

A link to al Qaeda is pretty significant, and far more important than the search for stockpiles of wmd's. Reason enough to go to war, even if that vial of botulinium is all they ever find.


78 posted on 02/23/2004 8:17:17 AM PST by FBD (...Please press 2 for English...for Espanol, please stay on the line...)
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To: FBD
You posted 'terrorism' not A-Q.

If the author or you are privy to information about a connection between Saddam's government and AQ I suggest you get to the CIA right away.

The American intelligence community barring the Office of Special Plans, have already called allegations of an extensive relationship bunk, and the Weekly Standard, a traitorous magazine, has already labeled one of their articles the smoking gun, so I can assume they have ceased even caring if they over use cliches.

79 posted on 02/23/2004 8:22:14 AM PST by JohnGalt ("...but both sides know who the real enemy is, and, my friends, it is us.')
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To: JohnGalt
<"...and the Weekly Standard, a traitorous magazine, has already labeled one of their articles the smoking gun, so I can assume they have ceased even caring if they over use cliches."

Why, specifically, are you calling the Weekly Standard a "traitorous magazine"?

80 posted on 02/23/2004 8:58:04 AM PST by FBD (...Please press 2 for English...for Espanol, please stay on the line...)
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