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India Takes Economic Spotlight, and Critics Are Unkind
The New York Times ^ | March 7, 2004 | AMY WALDMAN

Posted on 03/06/2004 10:04:03 PM PST by AM2000

BOMBAY, March 2 — India has finally arrived on the global economic scene. Unfortunately, like a debutante suddenly told she is wearing the wrong dress, it is not exactly the triumph India imagined.

In recent weeks, the outsourcing of white-collar service jobs to places like this financial capital on the Arabian Sea has become the focus of the American presidential campaign, the brunt of jokes on late-night shows, the subject of angry Web sites, and the target of legislation in more than 20 states and Washington.

Long caricatured in many American minds as home only to snake charmers and poor people, India is now being caricatured as a nation of predatory brains set on stealing American jobs.

The strong reaction to the shifting of jobs is spawning frustration in India, a country the United States was cheering not so long ago as it began to open a largely socialist, closed economy and enter the global arena. It is also surfacing as a potential irritant in relations between the countries. Indians say they are doing exactly what the United States wanted, and bridle at the new criticism as a double standard.

"The U.S. is propagating capitalism — we don't really understand why they are so scared," said Ravi Shankar, 36, an employee of Tata Consultancy Services, India's largest technology services company. "If you're going to talk about competition, you should have no fear — may the best man win."

But now India's pride has become America's pain. Over the last decade, riding technology advances, India's engineers and English-speaking college graduates have been taking on more work — from credit-card complaints to software programming to research for American companies half a world away.

The uproar over outsourcing shows no signs of abating, because outsourcing itself is only likely to grow. India's success has both contributed to and coincided with stagnating employment in the United States. Both countries face elections this year. As a result, an issue that would largely be confined to corporate America has become politicized and emotional. "India has joined the ranks of other big job thieves — Japan, China and Mexico," the Indian magazine Outlook wrote this week, citing a "barely concealed racism" in Internet debates. Senator John Kerry, the likely Democratic nominee for president, has called chief executives who shift work abroad "Benedict Arnolds."

"Whenever such issues are taken up in competitive politics, the economy suffers," said Arun Shourie, India's minister for disinvestment, communications and information technology. He has spent the last two years fighting to privatize India's bloated state-owned enterprises, facing fierce political opposition along the way.

Indeed, the furor in the United States is highlighting India's own ambivalence toward the economic reforms that began here in the early 1990's. The competitiveness of India's new industries stands in sharp contrast to the high tariffs and red tape that still shelter many other parts of the economy.

American officials have repeatedly expressed frustration at the relatively low level of American imports to India. While total exports from American companies to India grew to $4.1 billion in 2002 from $2.5 billion in 1990, the United States still has a trade deficit of about $9 billion with India. On a visit to New Delhi in February, United States Trade Representative Robert B. Zoellick cited India's high tariffs — like a 38 percent applied agriculture tariff, which is three times as much as America's. "We want to keep our markets open," he said, "but to do so we need to be able to open markets abroad."

His comments were interpreted here as evidence that the Bush administration would seek to use the reaction toward India as a lever to pry open wider India's economy.

Mr. Shourie said that when India finally opened its agriculture markets, it would affect "millions of people" — far more than are being affected by India's success in information technology. "If the United States feels we must understand their political compulsions," he asked, "why is it that American politicians or trade negotiators sitting at the table would not understand our political difficulties?"

He worries, he said, that the reaction in the United States will strengthen the opponents of India's own economic reforms. "It gives a very strong handle to persons in India who oppose opening up," he said.

Indians say that the beneficiaries of outsourcing are far fewer than Americans realize. Well under a million people work in information technology services. Most of India's population of more than a billion, still largely rural, has never heard of outsourcing or benefited from it. Unemployment in India — far higher than in the United States — is at its highest level in decades, many economists say. Officially pegged at 7 percent, with more than 40 million registered job seekers last year, the real unemployment rate is probably three times that, economists say.

Vivek Paul, vice chairman of the Bangalore-based Wipro Technologies, calls it "perceptual amplification."

"If three million jobs have been lost in the U.S., and 100,000 jobs created in India, every one of those three million thinks, `That's my job,' " he said.

The danger is that anger in the United States will affect relations with India that otherwise have only deepened in recent decades. There are nearly two million Indian-Americans in the United States today — with the highest income of any ethnic group — and India is the second largest country for legal migration to the United States, after Mexico.

The United States now has more foreign students from India — more than 70,000 — than from any other country, and the information technology industry itself seems to represent a sort of synergy, with many Indians working in Silicon Valley, and innovation flowing both ways.

That spirit is showing strains. While Indian officials have decided that their best strategy is to let American corporations fight the political battle in the United States, they cannot resist the occasional rhetorical flare-up. "Those who lecture about free trade," Mr. Shourie said, "should practice it."

But not everyone here cheers India's new identity as what Babu P. Ramesh, writing in the Economic and Political Weekly, called "one of the prominent electronic housekeepers to the world." Indians say they face the same forces churning the American job market. As the use of information technology increases here, so, too, will the labor displacement that America has experienced. And over time, many of the jobs that have come to India could move on. As new competition emerges from other countries, Mr. Paul of Wipro said, "we'll have to swallow the same medicine of globalization."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: asia; economy; india; outsourcing; southasia; southasialist; trade
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To: DustyMoment
"And, as a foreigner working in India, a socialist country, you will likely not receive the subsidies from the Indian government that Indian citizens doing the same work will recieve"

Er, what subsidies? I live in India, and I've never heard of any subsidies for call centre workers.
41 posted on 03/08/2004 11:30:02 AM PST by Bombay Bloke
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To: Bombay Bloke
So, Bombay bloke, with a call centre salary of say $200 a month, what can a guy buy on? Isn't it true that living in Bombay is expensive?
42 posted on 03/08/2004 12:36:04 PM PST by Cronos (W2K4!)
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To: Bombay Bloke
Pretty soon Indians will be whining when English-speaking African countries like Nigeria begin undercutting even the Indian rates.
43 posted on 03/08/2004 12:43:43 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: AM2000
I rest my case. LOL! You are a classic example of one who does not comprehend what I've been telling you. You are so hung up on believing that Indians and Americans are competing against each other for these jobs that you just don't "get it." Maybe India needs to revamp their English program to include further COMPREHENSION skills!

Anyway, I'm done with this thread. There's NO getting through to you. You just don't comprehend what I've been saying and I'm not going to waste any more time on it.

44 posted on 03/08/2004 5:10:45 PM PST by NRA2BFree (The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left. Ecc 10:2)
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To: Bombay Bloke
See post #44. That's your answer!
45 posted on 03/08/2004 5:14:12 PM PST by NRA2BFree (The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left. Ecc 10:2)
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To: NRA2BFree
You don't know what you're talking about, dude.
46 posted on 03/08/2004 5:57:30 PM PST by AM2000
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To: Cronos
I have spent over thirty years in the banking business dealing with all sorts of people including the paragons of outsourcing.

Pleae do not hold your breath on this; you will wind up a most profound shade of blue.

Cynical, but sadly experienced regards,

47 posted on 03/08/2004 6:14:09 PM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: AM2000
You don't know what you're talking about, dude.

Wrong again! You're the one who doesn't know what you're talking about. I'm NOT a dude. LOL!

48 posted on 03/08/2004 6:14:14 PM PST by NRA2BFree (The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left. Ecc 10:2)
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To: NRA2BFree
Doesn't matter. You don't even understand how competition works in a globalized marketplace.
49 posted on 03/08/2004 8:14:28 PM PST by AM2000
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To: Brimack34
Why does it take white collars to get attention. We blue collars never get this much press.

You get the Super Bowl Beer Commercials.

50 posted on 03/08/2004 8:22:41 PM PST by 537 Votes (Compassionate Conservative = Moderate Republican = Country Club Liberal.)
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To: Brimack34
You have to make things to survive as a Country. You can not just push paper's and have meetings and call a (it?) day.

Wash your mouth out with soap!! How dare you tell the truth?!! Any union member will tell you how full of stuff you are!!!!

51 posted on 03/08/2004 8:24:00 PM PST by stboz
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To: AM2000
""The U.S. is propagating capitalism — we don't really understand why they are so scared," said Ravi Shankar, 36, an employee of Tata Consultancy Services, India's largest technology services company. "If you're going to talk about competition, you should have no fear — may the best man win." "

Wrong-o, Ravi. It isn't about the "best" man; it's about the "cheapest" man. If Americans were paid less than a third of what you are paid, we'd be taking YOUR jobs. At least be intellectually honest about it and lose the air of superiority.

While you're at it, Ravi, at least be man enough to acknowledge that your country hasn't come up with an original, ground-breaking technology in centuries. You're capitalizing on America's work. Nothing wrong with that.......but refer above to my comment on your air of superiority.

52 posted on 03/08/2004 8:27:10 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: NRA2BFree
You'll like this one. ;)

I will? You mean there's some new slant to this offshoring thread that we haven't seen in the 566,328 other offshoring threads?

53 posted on 03/08/2004 9:46:29 PM PST by Euro-American Scum (A poverty-stricken middle class must be a disarmed middle class)
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To: RightOnline
It isn't about the "best" man; it's about the "cheapest" man.

It's about neither, because it's about both. What matters is cost factored along with productivity. If the "best" programmer can write an app in 1 hour and charges $500/hour, while an Indian programmer can write the same app in 5 hours but charges $20/hour, then unless the customer will lose money due to the 4 hour delay (enough to nullify the savings), he or she will purchase the product from the Indian programmer.

So, it's about both cost and productivity. Even though, in this example, the Indian programmers productivity is lower than that of the "best" programmer, his productivity is high enough, when compared to his cost, to get him the project.

54 posted on 03/09/2004 7:20:23 PM PST by AM2000
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To: dfwgator
Pretty soon Indians will be whining when English-speaking African countries like Nigeria begin undercutting even the Indian rates.

Some of the larger Indian software companies are already examining outsourcing some of their work to China. The whining has begun, and will intensify as wages in India increase in response to this trend.

55 posted on 03/09/2004 7:22:02 PM PST by AM2000
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To: Cronos
It sounds like not much but, actually that's a damn good starting salary for the average graduate. True, Bombay is expensive, but Bangalore, which is the call centre heartland, is less so. A lot of these kids live with their parents, which is common in India, so a salary of 8 to 10 thousand rupees gives them quite a disposable income. They've become a new generation of consumers.
56 posted on 03/13/2004 12:57:11 AM PST by Bombay Bloke
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