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Building the EU by stealth
The Irish Democrat ^ | April, 2005 issue | Hugh McDonald

Posted on 04/18/2005 11:17:13 PM PDT by w6ai5q37b

How deceit is integral to the development of the EU was admitted frankly by Italian prime minister Guiliano Amato in an interview with Barbara Spinelli of La Stampa on 13 July 2000. Since then Amato became vice-president of the convention that drafted the EU constitution. Here are some things he said:

"The project of the European constitution is daring, but to overcome obstacles in politics it is necessary to conceal them. In Europe one needs to act 'as if' - as if what was wanted was little, in order to obtain much, as if states were to remain sovereign to convince them to concede sovereignty. The Commission in Brussels, for example, should act as if it were a technical instrument, in order to be able to treated as a government. And so on, by disguise and subterfuge...

"The sovereignty that is lost at national level does not pass to any new entity. It is entrusted to entities without a face: Nato, the UN and eventually the EU,which is in the vanguard of a world that is changing, pointing to a future of princes without sovereignty.

"The new entity is faceless and those who are in command can neither be pinned down nor elected... The federalists still think that stripping nation states of their sovereignty transfers it to a higher level. This is their mistake. The truth is that shifting sovereign power will make it evaporate, disappear. In it there will no longer be individual identifiable sovereigns. In their place there will be a multitude of authorities at different levels of aggregation, each of which will be at the head of different interests of human beings: levels that possess ambiguous fields of power which they share with other authorities.

(Excerpt) Read more at irishdemocrat.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: community; ec; ecosoc; eu; european; global; globalization; government; harmonization; integration; ireland; new; order; stealth; union; world
EU : Europe

FTAA : USA
1 posted on 04/18/2005 11:17:16 PM PDT by w6ai5q37b
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To: w6ai5q37b

This is a truthful expose of the agenda behind "free trade" and globalization. Thank you for posting it.


2 posted on 04/18/2005 11:21:26 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: w6ai5q37b

Extremely interesting, thanks for posting


3 posted on 04/18/2005 11:21:51 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: WilliamofCarmichael; ninenot; A. Pole; Racehorse; Sam the Sham; Nephi; meadsjn; dennisw; ...

A very interesting article.


4 posted on 04/18/2005 11:28:33 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: w6ai5q37b; Liz; Calpernia; ken5050; Mo1; clee1; onyx; Jim Robinson; Southack; Howlin; ...
"what a wicked web we weave...."


5 posted on 04/19/2005 1:28:31 AM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (ATTN. MARXIST RED MSM: I RESENT your "RED STATE" switcheroo using our ELECTORAL MAP as PROPAGANDA!)
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To: Blurblogger


LOL!
I think you have it covered.
I like your post better than the article. :)


6 posted on 04/19/2005 1:34:29 AM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: hedgetrimmer

Why does this conjure up old stories of a dragon with ten heads?


7 posted on 04/19/2005 2:42:36 AM PDT by meadsjn
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To: hedgetrimmer

Hedgetrimmer, I think that the entire concept behind the EU, building a kind of European superpower, means loss of sovereignty for the European states. How could it be otherwise if they are to share a constitution - a socialist one, I might add.

However, once the constitution is in effect, and sovereignty lost, free trade between European states would be analogous to free trade between our American states. The free market, in other words. I think you have the cart before the horse.

OTOH, the free market is not part of socialist doctrine, I'm not expecting to see it in the EU, loss of sovereignty or no. Also, I'm kind of skeptical of them pulling it off, European history, with centuries of war and bloodshed, is against it. Not to mention the recent appearance in Europe of countries just freed from socialism, the countries behind the iron curtain.


8 posted on 04/19/2005 4:47:07 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: ninenot; sittnick; steve50; Hegemony Cricket; Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; FITZ; arete; ...
"The new entity is faceless and those who are in command can neither be pinned down nor elected... The federalists still think that stripping nation states of their sovereignty transfers it to a higher level. This is their mistake. The truth is that shifting sovereign power will make it evaporate, disappear. In it there will no longer be individual identifiable sovereigns. In their place there will be a multitude of authorities at different levels of aggregation, each of which will be at the head of different interests of human beings: levels that possess ambiguous fields of power which they share with other authorities.

Democracy on the march bump!

9 posted on 04/19/2005 5:38:13 AM PDT by A. Pole (George Orwell: "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act.")
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To: Blurblogger

Thanks for the ping!


10 posted on 04/19/2005 6:49:07 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Blurblogger

Thanks for the ping. Interesting chart.


11 posted on 04/19/2005 12:33:32 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: A. Pole
Democracy on the march

"We have seen above that the first step in the revolution by the working class is to raise the proletariat to the position of ruling class to win the battle of democracy."

Karl Marx, Communist Manifesto 1848
12 posted on 04/19/2005 8:13:13 PM PDT by w6ai5q37b
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To: Happygal; Colosis; Black Line; Cucullain; SomeguyfromIreland; Youngblood; Fergal; Cian; col kurz; ..
Lest we forget that other threat to Irish Democracy bump!
13 posted on 05/03/2005 4:39:13 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (This thing called the Irish Republican Army, is neither Irish, nor Republican, nor is it an army.)
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To: Blurblogger

Is that a Klintoon decision table?


14 posted on 05/03/2005 4:41:21 PM PDT by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: w6ai5q37b
The new entity is faceless and those who are in command can neither be pinned down nor elected...

There will be no visible dictator who can be overthrown or assassinated. Instead there will be a multitude of faceless functionaries. There will be nobody to blame for what happens, nobody to hold accountable. The people will be powerless to effect change, because they will not know who to go to

And the gray men pulling the strings from behind the curtains will laugh among themselves and be the new secret princes

15 posted on 05/03/2005 4:55:03 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (What does the wolf care how many sheep there be?)
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To: Mike Bates

"Is that a Klintoon decision table?"

Yes, to the degree that they subscribe to stakeholder analysis for manipulative purposes...which is....about 100%....


16 posted on 05/03/2005 6:53:19 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (SAVE THE BRAINFOREST! Boycott the RED Dead Tree Media!)
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