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USPS clicks with eBay ~~ ..... free workshops on how to use online auction company.
The Orange County Register ^ | Saturday, May 21, 2005 | JAN NORMAN The Orange County Register

Posted on 05/21/2005 9:29:58 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

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To: brigette
Not only does this save you time (and money) but most likely you will never get another nasty look or attitude.

That's fine for people who run eBay as a business out of their homes, who can afford the postal scales and the fees for online stamps, but what about the occasional eBay seller? Shouldn't they be treated with courtesy by an overpaid quasi-government worker?

21 posted on 05/21/2005 11:14:26 AM PDT by hunter112 (Total victory at home and in the Middle East!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I know people who do this all the time and make out quite well.


22 posted on 05/21/2005 11:16:33 AM PDT by hershey
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To: hunter112
Unfortunately, that's not gonna happen. Federal employees' union. I don't know if you saw that article posted in the forum about a year ago. It was about a postal worker in the midwest who'd been caught stealing packages about 7 times and was still working there.

Here's a true story you may not have heard. When William Faulkner was a young guy, he somehow got himself hired as local postmaster at the University of Mississippi Oxford. He hired all his poker and bridge buddies and they sat around all day playing cards, drinking and ignoring customers. This went on for several years before an inspector showed up and fired Faulkner. He said, "At least I won't have to dance attendance on every SOB who's got the price of a first class stamp." LOL!

23 posted on 05/21/2005 11:19:29 AM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: Bonaparte

Yep, that's sadly true. I guess if they PO enough eBayers, then the UPS stores will reap the benefits. Not enough of them around, in my opinion.


24 posted on 05/21/2005 11:21:19 AM PDT by hunter112 (Total victory at home and in the Middle East!)
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To: hunter112
"...it's savvy of the USPS to want to grab this market."

Ya think all those USPS mega profits will get passed back to the taxpayer via price reductions?

Yeah, neither do I.

25 posted on 05/21/2005 11:26:30 AM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: Bonaparte
The USPS is in deep trouble, the lucrative part of their market (first class postage for easy-to-handle bill payments) is going bye-bye, the junk mailers have the Postal Rate Commission by the short hairs, and union salaries and pensions (as well as volatile fuel prices) undermine their bottom line.

Nice thing is, UPS and FedEx will keep them competitive for eBay shipping. This quasi-governmental dinosaur is having some real adjustment pains dealing with some solid competition for the first time in their history.

26 posted on 05/21/2005 11:40:53 AM PDT by hunter112 (Total victory at home and in the Middle East!)
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To: hunter112

Nice summary. Looks like all they're doing is playing catch-up these days. Hopefully, it will get critical enough that the union will have to be hobbled and the work force reduced. Yeah, I'm a dreamer.


27 posted on 05/21/2005 12:09:33 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: hunter112
Interesting CATO article on the USPS. What do you think?
28 posted on 05/21/2005 12:15:20 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: Bonaparte
Another brilliant Cato piece that makes way too much sense to be taken seriously by Congress. Too bad, isn't it?

I've always found it amusing that editorial writers want all kinds of taxes to pay for every 'necessary' service under the sun, but let the USPS even hint that ultra-cheap mailing rates for newspapers and magazines be raised a fraction of a cent, and you'd think that someone was trying to burn down the Constitution! Or at least the First Amendment, the only one that matters to them.

29 posted on 05/21/2005 1:43:19 PM PDT by hunter112 (Total victory at home and in the Middle East!)
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To: brigette

Yup. All the shippers have advantages & disadvantages...

USPS does not offer tracking, and it seems to be quite slow in domestic shipping. You have to get Registered, Certified + Return Receipt, or whatever if you want tracking... and for high value items, you WANT tracking, because you don't wan ta situation like yours where the buyer thinks you never shipped the item. However it is very cheap at low weights, and just about the only way to go with intenrational shipments. Domestically, though, it sucks... slooooooooow!

Fedex is much cheaper than USPS at higher weights and much faster. We have had literal overnight shipments with FedEx. Once we sold a $500 sled... sent it out on a Friday, the buyer left glowing positive feedback on a Saturday. Also they have a tracking number with all shipments. The only disadvantage FedEx has is that its insurance policy is horrible, so you're taking quite a risk on certain classes of items (you have to convince them it's not a collectible or whatever).

UPS seems to fall somewhere in between. Haven't used them much.

In conclusion, I'd say the best way for eBay sellers to go is to use FedEx Ground for domestic shipments and to use USPS Registered Mail with international shipments. ALWAYS use Registered Mail with international shipments, trust me on this! You don't want to get negged when your item's held up in Customs for 4 weeks and you have no way of proving you sent the package at all. Get an account with both of them so you can print packing labels and have daily pickups.

Also, it is illegal, period, to send eBay items as a gift. Sooner or later customs will catch you. They'll confiscate the package if you're lucky, and at worst, you'll be going to jail or paying outrageous lawyer fees. Explicitly state that in your auction descriptions.


30 posted on 05/21/2005 1:55:45 PM PDT by Nataku X (Last month's summary: GOP ^= Dem ^= GOP ^= Dem)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
The problem with such a course,is that for new sellers, ebay will tell them they will get more and higher bids if they load up their auctions with added features and of course accept paypal as a payment option (and ONLY offer USPS shipping).

So, you'll get what I see on a lot of of newbie ebay sellers auctions: They list some low dollar, $2.99 item, and have a gallery photo and probably a subtitle and will have their title show up in Bold on the search page. So, instead of the basic 35 cent listing fee for an under $10.00 item, their fees, before the item sells will be approaching $1.50. Then if it does sell, ebay will want another 30 or so cents for their "cut" (the Final value Fee), and if the buyer pays with the ebay owned Paypal service, the seller will be whacked with another 35 or 40 cents fee (I did not look up the exact fees but these are close) for the "convienience" of online payment, and not having to wait for a money order or check.

So if the item only gets it's opening bid of $2.99, nearly $2.00 of that is gobbled up by ebay/Paypal.

You really need someone impartial to teach you how to sell on ebay. Having a USPS/ebay instructor teaching you how to sell would be like going to a Car Dealer and having him decide what car you needed, and what dealer installed accesories (rust proofing, paint sealant, fabric and carpet protector treatment, extended private warranty, etc.) you needed, and trusting that he could find the best financing rate for you and length of loan payments for you.

eBay is a publicly held company in the business of making money for their shareholders. It is in their interest to get sellers to add as many "extras" to their auctions that they can. As a long time seller on ebay, I can always count on them to disregard sellers wants and needs if it maximizes their profit, even if only by a penny on each auction.
31 posted on 05/21/2005 2:20:48 PM PDT by BansheeBill
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To: Bonaparte
High labor costs account for part of the price of stamps. The average wage and benefits package of Postal Service clerks and sorters is nearly $43,000, compared to about $35,000 for all private-sector workers.

I once worked at the USPS and still have relatives and friends who work there. Some workers aren't worth 10K/yr and there's some who I think were worth more than 43K. The poor working hours probably should induce a little higher compensation than typical comparable jobs. The Cato article does have a little better "tone" than a lot of analysis of the USPS. Some of the stuff from people like James Bovard seems to confuse economic inefficiency with moral turpitude. Postal workers don't have to be falsely portrayed as worthless parasites to make a case for reform. There's a lot of good existing now within the USPS that should be salvaged in reform.

32 posted on 05/21/2005 2:57:07 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: BansheeBill

Yes, tell me about it. Selling a nice pharmaceutical pen right now and the bids are rather low. Scarce, collectible pen and little interest. Ends today.


33 posted on 05/21/2005 3:02:34 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Nataku X
Also, it is illegal, period, to send eBay items as a gift.

Please explain. Sending it designated as a gift for a cheaper postal rate? What does the above mean, specifically?

34 posted on 05/21/2005 3:04:15 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: John Jorsett
The USPS reeks compared to UPS. I bought an item on eBay and the seller sent it via the USPS, giving me a "tracking" number. For 5 days the USPS web site said that the item associated with that "tracking" number hadn't even gotten into their hands yet. On day 6, it plops down on my porch. That evening, the "delivered" entry shows up for that item. Thing is, the only other entry was the "we're still waiting for it to be given to us" one. So evidently, as far as the USPS "tracking" system is concerned, the item was teleported to my doorstep without them touching it. Immaculate delivery.

That was my experience as well.

35 posted on 05/21/2005 3:07:25 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Not Elected Pope Since 4/19/2005.)
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To: MineralMan
I strip 'em and sell the parts

I have shopped for car parts. It even got me to consider buying junk cars and selling them part by part. Then sell the remaining hulk for scrap metal.

I would much rather pay $25, part and shipping, for that power window switch on eBay than go running all over town digging in junk yards.

And yeah, the USPS deal is a good one. I got new boxes just last week.

36 posted on 05/21/2005 3:17:06 PM PDT by Flyer (I've seen your king come and go here)
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To: John Jorsett; Lazamataz
"we're still waiting for it to be given to us"

I would guess the shipper bought the postage online, and started the tracking process on that day, and then goofed off getting it to the post office.

37 posted on 05/21/2005 3:19:04 PM PDT by Flyer (I've seen your king come and go here)
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To: RedWhiteBlue
I've noticed lately than if you are shipping by Priority Mail (probably Express as well), that you can go online to schedule a pickup and they don't charge. I think the small pickup charge you mentioned for parcel post or first class is only $12.50.

Technically as long as you are shipping one priority package your carrier should pickup other mail classes like media mail with electronic posage for free. Some carriers won't do it but they are supposed to.

38 posted on 05/21/2005 3:27:36 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: MineralMan

FINALLY I've got it figured out why you moved up to Minnesota and their "pleasant winters"....you work from home! Uffda!


39 posted on 05/21/2005 3:28:15 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (I don't drink and FReep...it just looks that way)
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To: MineralMan

I recently sold a book on eBay for several thousand dollars (it was salvaged from my father's attic). I don't think I would have gotten that at a yard sale or flea market.


40 posted on 05/21/2005 3:30:21 PM PDT by Fresh Wind
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