Fourth bomber, 19, the boss

Sydney Morning Herald ^ | July 17, 2005 | By Peter Munro and Audrey Gillan in London

[lilylangtree]

Most of the islamic crazies have the name of Mohammed or Abdullah.

[HighlyOpinionated]

Close the mosques if the mullahs and immams are teaching jihad. Then confiscate the property and resell it using the money to reciprocate for the bombings.

[Ecliptic]

The Cops reported finding ID's of the 4..but they could have been planted..Haven't seen any reports that clothes, DNA or anything else besides the ID's has been found to prove they were there when the bombs went off...anyone else heard anything to the effect??

[Fred Nerks]

I heard a report on TV in Aussie land that the police believed they had the head of the bomber on the bus.

[Canard]

"I was reading in a Brit newspaper that the police were 'not yet prepared to call it a suicide bombing'"

To clarify, there is no doubt that the men carrying the bombs actually died in the blasts. This statement was in regard to whether this was what they intended to do.

[Canard]

"Suicide bomber is a misnomer. Since their mission is to kill others, they should be called homicide bombers."

Never seen the point of that construction, it doesn't seem to say anything. How do you distinguish between a homicide bomber who intends to kill himself in his act and a homicide bomber who leaves a bomb to explode later and escapes?

[Fred Nerks]

Yes, that is how I also understood their meaning.

[aculeus]

Never seen the point of that construction, it doesn't seem to say anything.

Fox News started this "homicide bomber" nonsense. One senses the journos feel stuck with the idiocy.

Hey, Roger Ailes, the word "bomber" implies homicide. Let your journos speak proper English.

[blam]

"Authorities are also trying to establish whether the devices left behind in Jamal's car were intended for other suicide bombers to use on this or on future missions."

I'd be looking for the other 'martyrs' who chickened-out.

[csvset]

Or, they didn't KNOW they were on a suicide mission,

I heard on the radio that the bombers had purchased round trip tickets. Now, how they know that is byond me, but, there was speculation that the guys may not have known that they were on suicide missions.

The fourth device failed to detonate at the set time, the fourth bomber was turned away by security, he got on the bus and THEN realized he was NOT in control of the timing mechanism, he going to die and panic set in, but it was too late...

Yeah, the whole bus thing is strange, some reports stated a guy was " fumbling" with his backpack prior to the bus blast. If he "chickened out" or was having second thoughts, why didn't he just ditch the backpack?

[Canard]

"I heard on the radio that the bombers had purchased round trip tickets. Now, how they know that is byond me"

Well the police have CCTV of the bombers at Luton railway station, so I imagine that they can synchronise that with records of tickets sold at that exact time.

[TAquinas]

"How do you distinguish between a homicide bomber who intends to kill himself in his act and a homicide bomber who leaves a bomb to explode later and escapes?"

There is no distinction between the two. The intent of both acts is to kill others, not himself. Thus, the bomber is on an homicide mission, irrespective of whether he kills himself or not. Someone who goes out to kill another person commits an homicide. If, in doing so, he intenionally kills himself, yes, he would have committed a suicide, but that is collateral to the actual intent of the act, ie, to kill others. If, otoh, in his mission he inadvertently kills himself, he hasn't committed a suicide since there was no intent of killing himself, and the act is strictly an homicide.

And that's my peonistic take. I ain't no lawyer.

[robertpaulsen]

"but the mastermind, not wanting to be identified if they survived and were caught, set the timers much earlier than they believed"

Sounds familiar.

15. I will never employ any device with a digital countdown. If I find that such a device is absolutely unavoidable, I will set it to activate when the counter reaches 117 and the hero is just putting his plan into operation.
-- Evil Overlord List is Copyright 1996-1997 by Peter Anspach

[billnaz]

I just heard on the news that the authorities found nine more bombs in that vehicle they seized in Luton. Sounds like the young men were planning to come back and place more bombs but the mastermind had other plans.

Lesson to all young Muslim men: If somebody asks you to transport and place a bomb, ask him what happened to the last guy who transported and placed a bomb for him.

[SauronOfMordor]

Yeah, the whole bus thing is strange, some reports stated a guy was " fumbling" with his backpack prior to the bus blast. If he "chickened out" or was having second thoughts, why didn't he just ditch the backpack?

It's possible it had a fail-safe that detonated it on any attempt to remove the backpack