President Bush speaks about the Patriot Act in Baltimore, Md., Wednesday, July 20, 2005. (AP Photo/Charles Dharapak)
Posted on 07/21/2005 7:36:07 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
President Bush speaks about the Patriot Act in Baltimore, Md., Wednesday, July 20, 2005. (AP Photo/Charles Dharapak)
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Conyers obviously does not have a clue about the war on terrorism if he thinks 10 years is to long.
The silly thing is all the fuss and muss the usual suspects made over the library searches. This should show us just how serious they are.
Well at least the library searches have a timeframe of 10 years. Better than 2-5 years to assess their value. I was going to reject the bill if searches were ludicrously prohibited of libraries. Guess where all the terrorists would go at that point to gather.
I realize some dislike the Patriot Act. I have no problem with it, so I am heartened by this. Now it's the Senate's term to stop playing games with Guatanomo and step up.
I understand how some people believe that one day we may need to know how to made bombs, etc. for a militia if we are invaded by the Chinese or some other situation calling defense of our country occurs.
And they may understandably not want to be scrutinized by the FBI while they are checking up on how to make a bomb in a library.
That said, in the end I think the terrorist situation we are facing now is very grave for the very survival of our country. To catch terrorists before they act is imperative.
I don't think enough people have enough appreciation for how badly they can hurt us, and that they have the potential to completely destroy our country as a functioning entity.
every small victory is a step closer
I agree with the failure to understand the threat.
My outlook is that the Clinton administration abused its powers without the Patriot Act. He wasn't punished for this abuse. The day a Liberal is convicted of overstepping their constitutional authorities, then I'll consider the Libertarian argument. Until then the fear the Act, which does require oversight from a Judge or other authority, will result in abuse of power doesn't hold any weight with me.
A Republican would not dare violate the act intentionally, even unintentionally, because they'd be impeached. Likely without the Act they couldn't perform even the most most minor of necessary investigations to stop terrorists because Libs and Judges would block them out of spite.
Meanwhile a Liberal Democrat will be excused any violation, Act or not.
The Patriot Act is needed to pursue terrorists because the ability of a Republican administration to pursue the WOT would be obstructed entirely. Just look at what they've attempted with Guantanomo.
The other argument is that the loss of privacy is intolerable. Well, again, the Government can spy on me right now Patriot Act or no. Law abiding officials will at least go to a Judge with cause. Officials not interested in law won't bother with a court order any way.
I guess my point here is that I recognize the idea of 'privacy' is just not realistic in an age with our technology. My neighbor could get hold of all my records, it's ludicrous to believe the Government couldn't or that absence of Patriot Act would prevent someone if they wanted to.
The Patriot Act is needed to prevent the leftist democrats from blocking and thwarting Bushs policies in regard to the WOT. Look how many voted against it. That says a lot about whos side they are on. Almost 5 years without an attack on our soil just doesn't sit well with democrats. It makes Bush look good and they can't have that continue.
The Patriot Act is needed to prevent the leftist democrats from blocking and thwarting Bushs policies in regard to the WOT. Look how many voted against it. That says a lot about whos side they are on. Almost 5 years without an attack on our soil just doesn't sit well with democrats. It makes Bush look good and they can't have that continue.
Anyone know where to find the breakdown of the vote?
So, perhaps some other laws should be repealed as unnecessary.
The Patriot Act is needed to prevent the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy from blocking and thwarting President Rodham's policies.
The Patriot Act is stupid and unneeded. If we are not going to arm airline pilots, than I can't possibly see why the Patriot Act exists. It seems to be another way to for government to say it is doing something when it is doing nothing but wasting money, time and energy.
I D I O T
or something like it.
Close to my thinking. More exactly. The public will never know about all their abuses of privacy because the MSM will never let on if they get a hint there is abuse going on.
The Dems admit that oversight has not shown the slightest abuse of the Patriot Act by the Bush administration.
Until you get an exact count, I'll just relate from memory what I saw on the voting.
14 Republicans voted against.
150 or so Democrats voted against.
This is good news.
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