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1 posted on 02/10/2006 5:16:08 PM PST by april15Bendovr
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"Pillar has trashed Bush administration policies to the Los Angeles Times and reporters for the Knight-Ridder newspaper chain. And before that, Pillar put many of these condemnations in a book. The relevant sections were published more than two years ago. Not exactly breaking news."

Recycled rhetoric

Good Job Stephen

2 posted on 02/10/2006 5:18:37 PM PST by april15Bendovr
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I think one of Bush's biggest mistakes was not firing Tennet and cleaning house at the CIA the day after he took office in 2001. These Pillar and Valerie Plame types should have been shown the door by a new CIA director the same year. Now these traders are jepordizing our national security and our troops in the field.


3 posted on 02/10/2006 5:20:38 PM PST by The South Texan (The Democrat Party and the leftist (ABCCBSNBCCNN NYLATIMES)media are a criminal enterprise!)
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The real scary part about how POLITICS is running our country in Washington, is exactly that. We cannot have confidence in three-letter agencies that are riddled with anti-American activists. I agree these agencies should have been cleaned out on Bush's first day in office --- and now, we are still suffering from the "Mr. Niceguy" approach...with our future at stake, no more BS politics.


4 posted on 02/10/2006 5:24:17 PM PST by EagleUSA
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Stepping on a few toes at the CIA? It's about time.


5 posted on 02/10/2006 5:27:46 PM PST by caisson71
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It is the CIA's job to provide information to the administration only and the administrations job to use it as they wish.

The creep belongs in prison.

So9

7 posted on 02/10/2006 5:29:12 PM PST by Servant of the 9 (Trust Me)
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I saw Pillar on tv earlier today. He has a very pronounced facial tic.


9 posted on 02/10/2006 5:34:16 PM PST by Bahbah (An admitted Snow Flake and a member of Sam's Club)
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"Bush administration policymakers did this subtly, Pillar says, by repeatedly asking the CIA questions about Iraq, its weapons programs, and its support for terrorism"

How dare they!


10 posted on 02/10/2006 5:37:05 PM PST by nitzy (every man needs a credo)
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Until the leftist holdouts at the C.I.A. are purged, our nation will be in constant jeopardy from Islamic attack.


12 posted on 02/10/2006 5:42:31 PM PST by appleharvey
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"Bush administration policymakers did this subtly, Pillar says, by repeatedly asking the CIA questions about Iraq, its weapons programs, and its support for terrorism."

Pillar is another entrenched bureaucrat who feels that elected officials should campaign full time and leave the job of governing to the professionals. This man (obviously)was incensed that the Bush administration did not accept the Cia's first explanation/advice and move along.
Much is often said on these august threads about term limits for career crimi....or politicians. Another area that needs to be addressed is the lifetime tenure of bureaucrats at every level of governance. In my own home town our county administrator is a veteran with more than 25 years of experience, consequently our county supervisors often follow his lead without asking enough questions or representing the citizens who placed them in office.
14 posted on 02/10/2006 5:52:26 PM PST by kublia khan (Absolute war brings total victory)
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This is kinda long, but I think it needs to be pointed out anytime liberals question the wisdom of removing Saddam:

It's past time that Republicans start reminding people of the threat Saddam posed regardless of WMDs. It's also time to point out that Iraq didn't just become a terorist state as a result of the Iraq War; it already was. In fact, the war in Afghanistan...all by itself, pretty much guranteed that Iraq would eventually become an even greater threat, regardless of what we did to Saddam. What many liberals and Democrats ignore is that even "before" 9/11, Al Qaeda and Al-Zarqawi were courting the Arabs and Kurds in N. Iraq in an effort to create AQs new affilate...Ansar Al-Islam.

In August of 2001, leaders of several Kurdish Islamist factions reportedly visited the al-Qaeda leadership in Afghanistan with the goal of creating an alternate base for the organization in northern Iraq. It was shortly after this that Ansar al-Islam was created using $600,000 in al-Qaeda seed money, with even perhaps as much as $35,000 donated directly from the Mukhabarat branch of Iraqi Intelligence Service. In other words, before the Iraq War, before the Afghanistan War...and even before 9/11, certain groups of Arabs and Kurds were colluding with Al-Qaeda in an attempt to establish a new AQ affiliate in N. Iraq.

This colaboration was further substantiated during the Afghanistan War, when a document found in an al-Qaeda guest house by the NY Times discussed the creation of an "Iraqi Kurdistan Islamic Brigade" which vowed to "expel those Jews and Christians from Kurdistan and join the way of Jihad, [and] rule every piece of land...with the Islamic Shari'a rule." For the learning impaired, this alliance meant the creation of another Taliban-like organization...with similar ties to AQ that the Taliban had in Afghainstan.

As the Afghanistan War wore on, it wasn't a conicidence that many remnants from the Taliban and AQ were finding themselves within this newly created "affiliate." Human Rights Watch even confirmed this when they visited the region and reported that hundreds of foreign fighters from Afghanistan were joining up with Ansar...some from as early as September 2001 (long before the Afghanistan War). Adding further evidence to this colaboration was HRW's own interviews of Ansar al-Islam members in PUK custody, who according to them, "described in credible detail training in al-Qa'ida camps in Afghanistan."

Heck, after Zarqawi was injured in the Afghanistan War...and even before the war in Iraq began, he found himself being treated in a Baghdad hospital owned by one of Saddam's son...only to leave with his Egyptian Islamic Jihad brethren who accompanied him, and later meet up with Ansar. This action completely contradicts the claims of those who said Saddam would never ally himself with these "radical" Islamic groups for fear of being overthrown. If that were true, AZ woud've never left Baghdad alive.

In fact, this Saddam/Ansar alliance was quite reasonable...not just because of their shared hatred of America, but because Ansar itself was doing something for Saddam that Saddam could no longer do for himself; Ansar was attacking the two largest Kurdish factions (PUK and KDP) in N. Iraq...which had long been the biggest thorn in his side. Evidence suggests that the very creation of Ansar Al-Islam may have been as a secondary base of operation should America succeed in ousting the Taliban and AQ. And this is important because after the destruction of the terrorists camps in Afghanistan, the sancturaries for these terrorists were running thin.

In fact, over the last decade, AQ and their more radical elements had been getting kicked out of their own homelands and host countries. From Saudi Arabia to Egypt to Lebanon to Jordan...and even terrorists supporters like Syria and Libya, these countries no longer wanted these groups operating from within their borders. With Sudan offering up UBL and even Musharif in Pakistan joining the WOT, there were little places left for AQ to coalesce, especially after 9/11 and the retribution America was seeking. No one wanted these groups for fear the US would make their state the next target in the WOT. Even Iran supposedly expelled Zarqawi after it was learned he may hiding there....which is when he made his way to Baghdad.

The simple fact is the war in Afghanistan made Iraq a natural choice for these groups...even well before the war in Iraq began. Before GW Bush was even President, ABC News and other media outlets were reporting that Saddam offered santuary to UBL. This is supported by the fact that Saddam already had the propencity for harboring wanted terrorists; he had already offered safe-havens to both Abu Abass and Abu Nidal...two of the world's most wanted terrorists. A brief history of Nidal shows that he and his group were responsible for the killings of over 900 people in over 20 countries. Nidal was a leader in the PLO...and after leaving them, formed his own group, the Abu Nidal Organization, which operated at an even more violent level.

Nidal was once America's most wanted terrorist and a 1989 State Department report called his organization the most dangerous terrorist group in the world. In a headline from Jan. 8, 1999, Reuters reported that the "Guerrilla Abu Nidal Flees to Iraq." This wasn't necessarily a secret since intelligence had reported that Nidal may have entered Iraq 10 days before Bill Clinton's Dec 16, 1998 bombing of Iraq. Since the 9/11 attack, it was learned that two of the hijackers...Mohamed Atta and Ziad Jarrah, had very close relations with Abu Nidal...which may explain his untimely death in Iraq.

Further confirmation of these alliances may be found in the fact that after the first 1993 WTC attack, Abdul Rahman Yasin, the man who mixed the chemicals for the World Trade Center attack in 1993, subsequently sought and found refuge in Baghdad. Coincidence? Not if you believe this and what others have said about Ramsey Yousif being a former Iraqi Intelligence officer. The same was also true for Abu Abass. This "convicted" Palestinian terrorist...and the mastermind behind the Achille Lauro hijacking, had been calling Baghdad his home since 1994...under Saddam's personal protection.

Abbas was the leader of another Palestinian terror organization (PLF) that, after leaving Tunisia, set up shop in Iraq. Saddam's relationship with Abass (and Nidal) was very convenient, as Saddam became one of the largest providers of finanical and material support to Palestinian suicide bombers, offering up to $25,000 to the families of these killers. Abbas became an intermediary between Saddam and the Palestinians, were both financal and material support flowed directly from Saddam to the blood-filled streets of Israel...with the PLF setting up terrorist training camps directly in Iraq.

Between the two Abu's...and the material support flowing between them from Saddam...and Hamas and Hezbullah, Iraq was already one of the largest terrorist havens in the world, complete with a terrorist training center at Salman Pak.   For those who truly seek peace in the ME...especially between Israel and the Palestinians, that peace would've never had a chance with Saddam in power financing these organizations. This reason alone, makes the ouster of Saddam a legitimate cause, especially since Saddam's harboring of any terrorists was prohibited by the Gulf War Cease Fire and following UN resolutions.

The idea that Saddam and Iraq were some how disconnected from terrorists and terrorism before the Iraq War is one of the greatest frauds being perpetrated on the American people. Ansar's cooperative relationship with Al-Qaeda began "before" 9/11...and was only growing stronger. With the collapse of the Taliban and Al Qaeda in Afghanistan as a result of that war, Iraq was guaranteed to become an even greater threat. In fact, unlike Afghanistan and the Taliban, what made Iraq even more dangerous is that you had a Saddam with unlimited resources to continue funding these groups at a more significant level than Afghanistan could've ever done.

Putting aside the WMD argument, these terrorist connections were the most significant reason that Saddam had to be removed. And for those who still aren't convinced of this alliance, you don't have to look any further than Clinton's own DOJ that unveiled a sealed indictment of UBL in 1998. The indictment, unsealed later that same year, stated that "Al Qaeda reached an agreement with Iraq not to work against the regime of Saddam Hussein and that they would work cooperatively with Iraq, particularly in weapons development."

When you consider the fraud that was the Oil for Food Program...which only continued to enrich Saddam, and the attempts by several nations to totally remove the sanctions, Saddam in no way was ever "contained"...nor would he be. It's also as if these people never even read the Kay and Duelfer Reports...which while admitting that they may not have found stockpiles of WMDs, did acknowledge the infrastructure, expertise and willingness that Saddam still retained to reconstitute these programs.   This, combined with the terrorist haven that Saddam allowed Iraq to become, made his removal an immediate priority...even moreso as a result of the Afghanistan War. One only has to look at the political landscape in the ME today...after the elections of radicals in both Iran and Palestine, to realize just how lucky we were to get Saddam out when we did.


16 posted on 02/10/2006 5:55:00 PM PST by cwb (Liberalism is the opiate of the *asses)
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The CIA isnt an intelligence agency , its a nest of liberal vipers.


17 posted on 02/10/2006 6:03:18 PM PST by sgtbono2002
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Walter Pincus
pincusw@washpost.com

Born in Brooklyn, Walter Pincus worked as a copyboy at the New York Times after graduating from Yale University. He was drafted into the U.S. Army in 1955 and served in the U.S. Army Counterintelligence Corps in Washington from 1955-1957. After his discharge, he worked on the copy desk of The Wall Street Journal's Washington edition. He left in 1959 to become Washington correspondent for three North Carolina newspapers. In 1963, he moved to the Washington Star before joining The Washington Post, where he worked from 1966 to 1969. From 1972 to 1975, he was executive editor of The New Republic. He covered the Watergate Senate hearings, the House impeachment hearings and the Watergate trial, writing articles for the magazine and op-ed pieces for The Washington Post. In 1975, he returned to The Washington Post to write for the national staff of the newspaper.

When he resumed writing for the newspaper, he also was permitted to work as a part time consultant to NBC News and later CBS News, developing, writing or producing television segments for network evening news, magazine shows and hour documentaries.

Pincus has taken two 18-month sabbaticals from journalism. Both were spent directing investigations for the Senate Foreign Relations Committee under its then-chairman, Sen. J. William Fulbright. The first was into foreign government lobbying (1962-63) and the second into U.S. military and security commitments abroad and their effect on U.S. foreign policy (1969-70). Both investigations led to legislation. The first in a revision of the Foreign Agents Registration Act; the second in a series of limiting amendments on defense appropriations bills that culminated in the Hatfield-McGovern legislation to end the Vietnam War.

At The Washington Post, Pincus has written about a variety of national news subjects ranging from nuclear weapons and arms control to political campaigns to the American hostages in Iran to investigations of Congress and the Executive Branch. For six years he covered the Iran-contra affair. He covered the intelligence community and its problems arising out of the case of confessed spy Aldrich H. Ames, allegations of Chinese espionage at the nuclear weapons laboratories.

Pincus has won several newspaper prizes including the George Polk Award in 1977 for stories in The Washington Post exposing the neutron warhead; the 1961 Page One award for magazine reporting in The Reporter, and a television Emmy for writing on the 1981 CBS News documentary series, Defense of the United States. In 1999 he was awarded the first Stewart Alsop Award given by the Association of Foreign Intelligence Officers for his coverage of national security affairs. In 2002 he was one of six Post reporters who won a Pulitzer Prize for National Reporting.

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Look at the reporters background! SIX YEARS on Iran-Contra? Wrote the legislation that turned free Vietnam over to the Communists. Gee, that's really something to be proud of! Pincus is a useful idiot of the first order. One expects nothing except agit-prop, Republican bashing and service on bended knee to the Socialist Elite that run the Washington Post and NBC and CBS, his recent employers.






20 posted on 02/10/2006 10:06:02 PM PST by Jack Black
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