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A Good Neanderthal Was Hard to Find
NY Times:Week in Review ^ | February 26, 2006 | JOHN NOBLE WILFORD

Posted on 02/26/2006 3:25:01 AM PST by Pharmboy

Maybe they just didn't have time to get to know each other.

The question of what Neanderthals and Homo sapiens might have done on cold nights in their caves, if they happened to get together and the fire burned down to embers, has intrigued scientists since the 19th century, when the existence of Neanderthals was discovered.

A correction in the way prehistoric time is measured using radiocarbon dating, described last week in the journal Nature, doesn't answer the enduring question, but it might at least help explain why no DNA evidence of interbreeding has been found: the two species spent less time together than was previously believed.

The old radiocarbon calculation is now known to be off by as much as several thousand years, the new research shows. That means that modern Homo sapiens barged into Europe 46,000 years ago, 3,000 years earlier than once estimated. But the radiocarbon dating under the new calculation also shows that their takeover of the continent was more rapid, their coexistence with the native Neanderthals much briefer.

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Was that advantage cognitive, technological or demographic? Their personal ornaments and cave art, now seen to have emerged much earlier, are strong evidence for an emergence of complex symbolic behavior among the modern newcomers, a marked advance in their intelligence.

That doesn't mean they didn't interbreed with the Neanderthals.

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"Since these two species may have been able to interbreed, as many closely related mammal species can," Dr. Harvati said, "a restricted coexistence interval may be easier to reconcile with the observed lack of Neanderthal genetic contribution to the modern human gene pool and with the paucity of convincing fossil evidence for hybridization."

The caves, it would seem, still hold their secrets.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: crevolist; europe; godsgravesglyphs; helixmakemineadouble; humanevolution; milfordwolpoff; neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals
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To: AntiGuv
Yes, but just keep in mind that we do regard lions and tigers as separate species, even though they can produce offspring. Likewise with horses and donkeys, as another example.

Im not saying neanderthals and humans wherent separate species, it is very likely they where. Im only saying that it is no guarantee that they didnt procreated.
241 posted on 02/28/2006 4:27:10 AM PST by S0122017
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Unfortunately there are very disturbed people even nowadays.


242 posted on 02/28/2006 4:28:27 AM PST by S0122017
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To: S0122017
Isnt that exactly what i posted? I posted that the biggest difference between any two humans is less than that between a human and a neanderthal.

Wow - you're right! I read that completely backward. Or rather, I read the "less" as if it were a "more".. Sorry!

243 posted on 02/28/2006 4:28:58 AM PST by AntiGuv
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To: AntiGuv
You need some room in there somewhere for Homo sapiens idaltu. Those transitionals that don't exist just keep on coming.
244 posted on 02/28/2006 6:41:09 AM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: Pharmboy

All I can tell you is that, while I have kissed many a frog in my day, hoping he would turn into a prince, I would never voluntarily kiss a Neanderthal.

We all know that men aren't as picky as women, but even so, how many men are randy enough to mate with another species? Other than frat boys?


245 posted on 03/02/2006 12:06:04 PM PST by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: CobaltBlue
how many men are randy enough to mate with another species?

Is that a poll call?

246 posted on 03/02/2006 12:31:42 PM PST by ASA Vet (Those who know don't talk, those who talk don't know.)
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To: CobaltBlue
I think those guys were pretty brutish--and we also know they were cannibals. I don't think volunteering would have much to do with it, blue eyes.
247 posted on 03/02/2006 12:32:05 PM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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To: derllak

ping for discussion lol


248 posted on 03/02/2006 12:33:39 PM PST by Leatherneck_MT (An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens.)
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To: Pharmboy

So maybe another factor is how fast you can run?


249 posted on 03/02/2006 12:41:34 PM PST by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: Leatherneck_MT

Well I just happen to know someone that never lost his Neanderthal tendencies - now get out there and spear us a deer for dinner or I'll lock you out of the cave! :)


250 posted on 03/02/2006 1:23:50 PM PST by derllak
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To: CobaltBlue

That, or how well you could use a sharpened elk bone. "God made man and woman, Sam Colt made them equal" is just an update.


251 posted on 03/02/2006 2:15:39 PM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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252 posted on 07/09/2016 10:32:49 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I'll tell you what's wrong with society -- no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.)
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