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Chertoff promotes "Guest Worker Program"
The Brownsville Herald ^ | Posted on Mar 04 06 | SARA INÉS CALDERÓN

Posted on 03/04/2006 1:04:23 PM PST by Icelander

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To: TheOracleAtLilac
is your documentation for a $10 ^ in lettuce pickers' wages based in fact/analysis?

Based on simple arithmetics. If there are 200 lettuce heads picked per hour per team member the calculation is simple.

61 posted on 03/04/2006 4:17:58 PM PST by A. Pole (If the lettuce cutters were paid $10 more per hour, the lettuce head would cost FIVE CENTS more.)
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To: puppypusher
Harvest them with machines. Anything a human can do a machine can do as well if not better if it's designed right. There are many fruits and vegtables that are harvested by machines. So there is no excuse to not use them.

Cheap labor frees mankind from the use of machines. Freemarketeers used this method for thousands of years in Egypt and other nice places. It worked very well.

62 posted on 03/04/2006 4:19:59 PM PST by A. Pole (If the lettuce cutters were paid $10 more per hour, the lettuce head would cost FIVE CENTS more.)
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To: A. Pole

does your "if" have any basis in fact ?


63 posted on 03/04/2006 4:19:59 PM PST by TheOracleAtLilac
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To: TheOracleAtLilac
& what do we do till those robots are developed/perfected ?

So long as there is cheap labor there is no need for technological progress.

64 posted on 03/04/2006 4:21:09 PM PST by A. Pole (If the lettuce cutters were paid $10 more per hour, the lettuce head would cost FIVE CENTS more.)
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To: Icelander

Letting a Ted Bundy into my house as a guest doesn't keep me safe at all.......


65 posted on 03/04/2006 4:21:39 PM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: TheOracleAtLilac
does your "if" have any basis in fact ?

Yes, 200 lettuce heads per hour per team member is a moderate amount. It is based on actual statistics.

66 posted on 03/04/2006 4:25:36 PM PST by A. Pole (If the lettuce cutters were paid $10 more per hour, the lettuce head would cost FIVE CENTS more.)
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To: Icelander

No "guest worker" will be a guest. They will all -- ALL -- remain permanently in the US, and then bring in their relatives and their relatives' relatives.

This idea is insane. Chertoff must resign.


67 posted on 03/04/2006 4:27:04 PM PST by Poundstone
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To: A. Pole
OK, lechuga is handled.

Let's now address the other hand picked crops.

68 posted on 03/04/2006 4:28:53 PM PST by TheOracleAtLilac
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To: TheOracleAtLilac
I think you're SOL on prisoners cuz of the nature of the work

You think? No further reply needed for this comment.

Welfare recipients are out via court rulings.

Educate me. What rulings?

Legal aliens are above agriculture

What makes you think that? Allrighty. Your hellbent on a legalizing illegals or, I sorry.. Documenting the undocumented. Glad your in the minority on this one.

69 posted on 03/04/2006 4:31:02 PM PST by SealSeven (Moving at the speed of dark.... Even "nothing" takes up space.)
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To: jackbenimble
Any illegal who does not have one is going to keep right on doing what they are doing now; masquerade as an American citizen. What a joke!

Our schools aren't allowed to report illegals. Why is our government so determined to harbor criminals?

70 posted on 03/04/2006 4:34:48 PM PST by Netizen
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To: A. Pole
So, if wages for lettuce pickers rise, only their wages will rise?

I hate to tell you but you just flunked Econ 101. Its like this, when wages rise in one segment, they rise in all segments.

Maybe I can explain it better to someone with your educational level. If you give the lettuce pickers $10 more, you have to give the equipment operator, truck driver, and foreman the same, or better, raise. Then everyone in the office has to have a raise.

But wait, there is more.

To fill these jobs, at 10 more, workers will leave other jobs, Those employers will have to raise their wages 10 to retain their employees.

Everyone gets a $10 raise.

71 posted on 03/04/2006 4:38:06 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Poundstone
No "guest worker" will be a guest. They will all -- ALL -- remain permanently in the US, and then bring in their relatives and their relatives' relatives.

Another factory closed in our state this past week. It moved to MEXICO. Electrolux.

What I don't understand is IF the illegals are doing work that nobody else wants to do (not true since 1,000 got laid off because this closure), why are so many mexican illegals comeing to the USA when our factories are moving to mexico?

72 posted on 03/04/2006 4:39:15 PM PST by Netizen
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To: SealSeven
Educate me. What rulings?

It's from the projects in Philly?. Chi-town ?, etc. Seems they wanted housing recipients to voluteer 8hrs/wk? doing menial work
struck down by the court as quasi-slavery

Your hellbent on a legalizing illegals

Not in the least

I'm hellbent of devising a system which will
1. match employers w/ needed alien labor
2. persuade the dependents of illegals to voluntarily go south ASAP.
3. have severe penalties for employer or employee violations

73 posted on 03/04/2006 4:43:51 PM PST by TheOracleAtLilac
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To: Ben Ficklin
Its like this, when wages rise in one segment, they rise in all segments.

O HORROR! We are so lucky to have Mexico next door. Can you imagine the disaster if American workers were paid more?

74 posted on 03/04/2006 4:44:24 PM PST by A. Pole (If the lettuce cutters were paid $10 more per hour, the lettuce head would cost FIVE CENTS more.)
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To: Netizen

What I don't understand is IF the illegals are doing work that nobody else wants to do (not true since 1,000 got laid off because this closure), why are so many mexican illegals comeing to the USA when our factories are moving to mexico?




Umm - because they're working in agriculture and washing dishes in resteraunts and mowing lawns and...


75 posted on 03/04/2006 4:49:51 PM PST by countreegurl
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To: TheOracleAtLilac
Seems they wanted housing recipients to voluteer 8hrs/wk? doing menial work struck down by the court as quasi-slavery

Then their taking money and giving nothing back in return is robbery.

76 posted on 03/04/2006 4:49:51 PM PST by Netizen
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To: A. Pole
Can you imagine the disaster if American workers were paid more?

Considering that benefits are declining and wages aren't rising, and cost of living is rising, I guess we might be able to afford to go to the dentist.

77 posted on 03/04/2006 4:51:17 PM PST by Netizen
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To: A. Pole
Economics 101

If you constrict the labor supply(get rid of the illegals), wages will rise. If wages rise without a corresponding increase in productivity, it is inflationary.

An increase in the minimum wage is inflationary. Your crackpot theory is 10 times inflationary.

78 posted on 03/04/2006 4:53:28 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: countreegurl
What I don't understand is IF the illegals are doing work that nobody else wants to do (not true since 1,000 got laid off because this closure), why are so many mexican illegals comeing to the USA when our factories are moving to mexico?

I'll rephrase my question. One of our FACTORIES moves to MEXICO. So, why don't those illegals stay in Mexico where the new Electrolux factory is?

79 posted on 03/04/2006 4:54:50 PM PST by Netizen
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To: Ben Ficklin
If you constrict the labor supply(get rid of the illegals), wages will rise. If wages rise without a corresponding increase in productivity, it is inflationary.

Are you saying that US economy without cheap Third World labor would collapse?

80 posted on 03/04/2006 4:55:32 PM PST by A. Pole (If the lettuce cutters were paid $10 more per hour, the lettuce head would cost FIVE CENTS more.)
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