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Scientists Describe Huge Meat-Eating Dinosaur (Remains Discovered In Argentina)
NBC17 ^ | April 19, 2006

Posted on 04/19/2006 6:25:56 PM PDT by nickcarraway

NEW YORK -- Scientists are learning more about what appears to be one of the biggest meat-eating dinosaurs known, a two-legged beast whose bones were found several years ago in the fossil-rich Patagonia region of Argentina.

One expert called the discovery the first substantial evidence of group living by large meat-eaters other than tyrannosaurs like T. rex.

The creature, which apparently measured more than 40 feet long, is called Mapusaurus roseae.

The discovery of Mapusaurus included bones from at least seven of the beasts, suggesting the previously unknown animal may have lived and hunted in groups. That hunting strategy might have allowed it to attack even bigger beasts, huge plant-eating dinosaurs.

The find was reported in 2000 by The Associated Press. It is described in the latest issue of the journal Geodiversitas by paleontologists Rodolfo Coria of the Carmen Funes Museum in Plaza Huincul, Argentina, and Philip Currie of the University of Alberta in Canada. They oversaw the excavation of the dinosaur's remains about 15 miles south of Plaza Huincul from 1997 to 2001. Mapusaurus is estimated to have lived about 100 million years ago.

Currie, in an e-mail, said it's hard to say how long the biggest specimen was because no complete skeleton was found. He estimated it may have measured about 41 feet from the snout to the tip of the tail.

It may have been about a foot longer than Giganotosaurus, also found in Patagonia, but without a complete skeleton "you will never know," he wrote.

The Field Museum in Chicago says its T. rex skeleton, Sue, is 42 feet long.

Thomas Holtz Jr., a University of Maryland dinosaur expert, said that Mapusaurus clearly joins Giganotosaurus, T. rex and a huge African beast called Spinosaurus as among the biggest carnivorous dinosaurs. But he said it's impossible to know exactly how they rank in overall size. The fossil record is too fragmentary, and unlikely to capture the biggest individual of each species, he said.

Spinosaurus was probably the longest species, but length is a poor indicator of overall size because tails can be shorter or longer without affecting a creature's weight very much, he said. Still, Spinosaurus was probably the biggest in overall bulk as well, he said.

Coria noted the dig showed evidence of social behavior in Mapusaurus. The excavation found hundreds of bones from several Mapusaurus individuals but none from any other creature. That suggests the animals were together before they died, Coria said.

Perhaps they hunted in packs, though there is no direct evidence for that, he said in an e-mail. Currie, in a statement from his university, speculated that pack hunting may have allowed Mapusaurus to prey on the biggest known dinosaur, Argentinosaurus, a 125-foot-long plant-eater.

Holtz called the finding the first substantive evidence of group living by giant two-legged carnivores other than tyrannosaurs. It's not clear whether the animals cooperated in hunting, as wolves or lions do, or simply mobbed their prey or just gathered around after one of them made a kill, he said.

Mapusaurus comes from the word for "Earth" in the language of the Mapuche tribe of western Patagonia, while "roseae" refers both to the rose-colored rock that yielded the specimens and to the name of a sponsor of the excavations.


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KEYWORDS: argentina; biology; dinosaur; dinosaurs; godsgravesglyphs; paleontology; science
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1 posted on 04/19/2006 6:25:57 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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2 posted on 04/19/2006 6:32:33 PM PDT by xrp (Fox News Channel: MISSING WHITE GIRL NETWORK)
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suggesting the previously unknown animal may have lived and hunted in groups

It gives one pause to consider that anything this big would need to hunt in groups considering that against today's fauna a single animal could slaughter at will regardless of what or how many it pursued.

3 posted on 04/19/2006 6:35:47 PM PDT by lafroste (gravity is not a force. See my profile to read my novel absolutely free (I know, beyond shameless))
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Next headline:

Giant meat-eating dinosaur DNA used to create new class of border patrol guards (more bite for the buck).


4 posted on 04/19/2006 6:42:55 PM PDT by moog
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The excavation found hundreds of bones from several Mapusaurus individuals but none from any other creature. That suggests the animals were together before they died.

They were having a few pops when a big ol' comet fell out of the sky.

5 posted on 04/19/2006 6:56:55 PM PDT by NutCrackerBoy
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6 posted on 04/19/2006 6:59:20 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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Its main prey, Argentinosaurus, probably traveled in herds, and if you know how bad tempered elephants and rhinos can be, imagine a herd of them composed of individuals up to 125 feet long and weighing 100 tons. They'd probably have to hunt in packs in order to take down just one of them.

Dromaeosaurids, the family which includes the velociraptors immortalized in Jurassic Park and whose pack behavior has been well documented appear to have evolved downwards in size. The earliest known, Utahraptor was twenty feet in length, but its descendent Deinonychus was just half that size, and later species (Velociraptor, Dromaeosaurus, and the last known species, Saurornitholestes) smaller still, averaging just six feet in length.

7 posted on 04/19/2006 7:00:30 PM PDT by RightWingAtheist (Creationism is to conservatism what Howard Dean is to liberalism)
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I was hoping they'd name it Calvinosaurus wattersoni
8 posted on 04/19/2006 7:01:54 PM PDT by RightWingAtheist (Creationism is to conservatism what Howard Dean is to liberalism)
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...Calvinosaurus wattersoni....

and it's sidekick, hobbesaurus? lol.


9 posted on 04/19/2006 7:49:13 PM PDT by 4integrity
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The excavation found hundreds of bones from several Mapusaurus individuals but none from any other creature. That suggests the animals were together before they died.

They were having a few pops when a big ol' comet fell out of the sky.

Either that or they were all hanging out and an even bigger dinosaur came along and swallowed them whole (no teeth marks so they weren't chewed).

10 posted on 04/19/2006 8:52:45 PM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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Big enought to eat Michael Moore?


11 posted on 04/19/2006 9:12:19 PM PDT by razorback-bert (Kooks For Kinky)
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bump 4 L8R


12 posted on 04/19/2006 9:18:45 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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"It gives one pause to consider that anything this big would need to hunt in groups "

If this lizard was more like the T-Rex then it would most likely not have been a "hunter". There is a body of thought now that the T-Rex would never have been chasing anything down to kill it.

With only 3 foot long, relatively week front legs a trip and fall would have been disastrous. Broken legs, broken ribs, broken pelvis, etc would result from 3 tons of falling T-Rex with nothing to brace it against a fall.

So that is about the only way "hunting" would make sense for them. corner and kill or fight over carrion from another hunters kill or a natural death of anything. If they were all there like hyenas that would make sense.

Spinosaurus on the other hand had longer and stronger front legs/arms. It would make more sense that it was a hunter. I think they actually are thought to alternate between four and two legs.

The same body of scientist who think T-Rex was not an actual "hunter" think that it's size was for scaring other hunters and scavengers away from a kill they made or found first. Who wants to argue with a 40ft long beasty with a 4ft mought full of teeth.

Oh and I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.
13 posted on 04/20/2006 12:12:23 AM PDT by JSteff
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To: RightWingAtheist

Love your tagline and handle. Agree on both fronts.


14 posted on 04/20/2006 4:30:40 AM PDT by LongsforReagan (Dick Cheney is the best elected official in this country. Period.)
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To: xrp

Speaking of Fatboy...Howie Carr's Fatboy website is up and running with many interesting and informative tidbits about the senator Time magazine says is numero uno in the US. Click on HowieCarr.com, then Fatboy.cc near the bottom of the page.


15 posted on 04/20/2006 4:39:52 AM PDT by hershey
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Spinosaurus actually probably ate fish. Imagine a huge cross between a crocodile and a grizzly bear, and that's probably what it was like.


16 posted on 04/20/2006 6:32:05 AM PDT by RightWingAtheist (Creationism is to conservatism what Howard Dean is to liberalism)
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To: razorback-bert

That'd really raise the cholestrol levels :)


17 posted on 04/20/2006 6:39:56 AM PDT by RightWingAtheist (Creationism is to conservatism what Howard Dean is to liberalism)
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To: xrp

Oh look, The drunken slob lost some weight.


18 posted on 04/20/2006 11:21:29 AM PDT by chiefqc
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Aha! Finally found the picture I was looking for!:


19 posted on 04/20/2006 4:50:12 PM PDT by RightWingAtheist (Creationism is to conservatism what Howard Dean is to liberalism)
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Good one! I LOVE Calvin & Hobbes. Sorry that Waterson retired.


20 posted on 04/20/2006 6:07:38 PM PDT by 4integrity
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