Are California, Nevada and Arizona really THEIR land...

KCET Ch 28 Program "The US Mexican War" ^ | Robert W. Johannsen

[AFreeBird]

You have a problem with sarcasm, don't you? Its sometimes a dry bit of humor. You might want to read up on it so you can recognize it in the future.

Besides, what-if scenarios are always a good method of figuring out the right course of action.

In this case, it was deemed necessary to drive the invaders back accross the Rio Grande, because the prospect of socialist kalifornians migrating to the great American interior was too terrible to contemplate.

[chesty_puller]

I just moved to Texas from Virginia last year

Doesn't that Texas flag flying on your profile look pretty? Welcome to the real America.

[AmeriBrit]

I haven't had a chance to do anything more than glance at it but this might be what you were looking for:

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TREATY WITH MEXICO (February 2, 1848)
[By the Louisiana Purchase, Texas had become a part of the United States; but in 1819 it had been ceded to Spain in the negotiations for Florida. Two years later Mexico, including Texas, had become independent, and the United States made two unsuccessful attempts to purchase Texas from Mexico. The settlement of Texas by immigrants from the United States finally led to the secession of Texas and its annexation by the United States, with the result that the Mexican War broke out in May, 1846. It was closed by this treaty, by which the United States gained not only Texas but New Mexico and Upper California.]
TREATY OF PEACE, FRIENDSHIP, LIMITS, AND SETTLEMENT BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND THE UNITED MEXICAN STATES CONCLUDED AT GUADALUPE HIDALGO, FEBRUARY 2, 1848; RATIFICATION ADVISED BY SENATE, WITH AMENDMENTS, MARCH 10, 1848; RATIFIED BY PRESIDENT, MARCH 16, 1848; RATIFICATIONS EXCHANGED AT QUERETARO, MAY 30, 1848; PROCLAIMED, JULY 4, 1848.

cont'd......

http://www.azteca.net/aztec/guadhida.html

[TXnMA]

A big ol' Texas

"Welcome, y'all!"

from the northeast Texas Piney Woods!!! :-)

[Ursus arctos horribilis]

Forget the Mexican War, President Pierce sent James Gadsden to Mexico in 1853 to buy land for a southern railroad. He purchased the area now comprising southern Arizona and part of southern New Mexico for $10,000,000. Mexico at the time, also wanted to sell even more land to the south of the Gadsden Purchase, including Baja California, but offer was refused for it was thought too barren.

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/diplomacy/mexico/mx1853.htm

[fanfan]

LOL Sandy!

Thanks!

[Not A Snowbird]

I want to thank you, AFreeBird and SandyInSeattle for advocating giving my home away to another country.

Do you not recognize sarcasm when you see it in printed form? Of course we're not giving it back! I was merely pointing out the folly of their argument.

[the anti-liberal]

Thanks, but I'm not the one who needs to see it, they do:

The Brown Berets holding the sign are a paramilitary Aztlan brigade.

[Michael Goldsberry]

bueno

[Regulator]

President Pierce sent James Gadsden to Mexico in 1853 to buy land for a southern railroad

I was born and raised on the Gadsden Purchase and most of my immediate family is either living or buried there, 60 miles north of the Mexican Maybe-Border. I don't really want to have to get a Mexican Visa just to go see my Mom's grave. Or my children having to, either. And I mean that.

Just to make the Reconquista's head's spin, we should sue Mexico in the International Court for breach of the purchase agreement because they a) now have so many of their citizens living on the land we paid them good money for, which is clearly not included in the contract, and b) because they have politicians in Mexico openly trying to abrogate the deal.

If they refuse to participate in the case it would be a good pretext to declare war on them and take some more land. Arizona really does need a nice seacoast town on the Sea of Cortez. We'll take Puerto Penasco, but all the locals have to leave....or else BOOM! He he...just kiddin'...well, maybe not that much... :^)

[Michael Goldsberry]

Usted es ya un miembro.

[brazzaville]

Good evening.
"You have a problem with sarcasm, don't you?"

Only when it concerns certain subjects, like California bashing, or calling for wholesale slaughter. Actually, thanks to the FReepers, I've gotten better even about those things.

Anymore, I seldom attack people for what they are, with the exception, perhaps, of Islamists, DemocRATs and La Raza phonies, but what they do that harms me and mine.

You're right about the benefit of planning ahead. I've been doing it for years.

You are also right about the danger posed by dispossessed Californians. Look around you at the Socialist Hells that Washington and Oregon have become because liberal Californians have moved there after fleeing our state and taking their liberalism with them. Nevada is full of expatriate Californians and the state keeps electing Dingy Reid.

So, do you really think I have a problem recognizing sarcasm? I'll have to watch that

Michael Frazier

[Verginius Rufus]

As I remember it (from reading--it was before my time), the Senate reduced the area acquired by the Gadsden purchase in order to reduce the amount of new territory that might someday become slave states.

[brazzaville]

Good evening.
"Of course we're not giving it back! I was merely pointing out the folly of their argument."

That's good. Now I feel much better. I thought that was what you were doing, but I wasn't sure.

Michael Frazier

[Not A Snowbird]

Sorry to give you a scare. :-)

(Could we just give them Hollywood? Please?)

[Ursus arctos horribilis]

The Kansas-Nebraska Act was not passed by the US Congress until 1854, but with all the tensions of the time, likely slavery issue did come into play.

But Gadsden was also a frugal sort, who thought that buying what he considered rocks and sand in 1853 was not a good bargain. Too bad, US access to the Gulf of California would be worth billions today

[185JHP]

They've injured our country enough with the infusion of drugs and criminal dregs that paying us for it with their oil might become a reasonable outcome...

[aft_lizard]

Not to mention in hindsight we gave up the chance of full control over Tijuana and other ports of entry for illegals.