Posted on 05/02/2006 3:48:34 PM PDT by persephone35
Lonesome Dove is a great read as is James Mischner's Texas. Both are full of historical fact but on this subject Texas is probably best.
Another fact that is being overlooked here is that the Mexican government was trying to get volunteers to move into that area with little luck. A few isolated Spanish missions were about all there was. Hearty pioneers from the eastern U.S. moved in where the Mexicans would not, doing the jobs Mexicans wouldn't do. :-)
It was never really Mexican land but, instead was Spanish land they obtained through conquest, just as we did.
Also, don't get too riled up about truth although it is good for us to know. The only people that believe the illegal claims are the usefull idiots. Those behind the movement know exactly what the facts are and how they are twisiting them. It is leftist propaganda to rile up the ignorant, including the useful idiot media, and divide our society, no different from "there was no holocaust" and "the U.S. bombed the World Trade Center themselves".
The slavery issue began to heat up again at the beginning of the Mexican War when a Pennsylvania Congressman named Wilmot tried to insert a proviso (the Wilmot Proviso) into a law, to the effect that slavery would not be allowed in any lands acquired because of the war. Texas (including the eastern half of what is now the state of New Mexico) wasn't affected since it was already a state.
By 1850 things were so contentious there was already talk of secession in the South--the Compromise of 1850 was pushed through Congress, but with great difficulty.
That reminds me of a cartoon with two men sitting on a park bench. One man is lamenting the fact that so many people are so obsessed with their ethnic group, and says, "I'm glad I'm just an Anglo-Saxon American." The other guy looks at him suspiciously: "An Anglo or a Saxon?"
Dee Brown, in Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee, depicts the relationship between the Navajos and the Mexicans as very hostile: the Mexicans would raid the Navajos and take their children away as slaves, and the Navajos would retaliate with raids against the Mexicans.
Agreed. The United States may own the territories won from Mexico for now, but should this country ever find itself at the mercy of a group of other countries, one demand is certain: Mexico will step in and demand the return of these "lost provinces."
They lost a war and they sold the land we bought for lots of money on those days, including lots of Mexican international debt we took over as well.
We also did not displace prior Mexicans from their lands, we assimilated them into the culture and they were protected from what I read.
I doubt we'll hear this. the reconquistas will not provide this option.
There are still living descendants of the original Spanish land grant owners, who would have precedence over any Mexican claims.
I sure the ignorant Atzlan types don't really want to open this can of worms. Their tribal claims can't be backed up, at least in California.
Thank you for posting a link to a transcript of the actual treaty. I am going to read this from "cover to cover" so to speak.
And they call it THEIR land... Yeah, right!
That was part of what I had in mind!
Just imagine the look of consternation on Fox's face when we pull one of the cheesy stunts that they are always pulling on us.
Don't recall the particulars, but I believe they already went to the Hague over our treatment of their castoffs.
Can you believe I found it by following links from one of THEIR sites.
We paid mexico 15 million for it, when we paid mexico 15 million that was a huge huge sum of money and mexico was thrilled to receive those monies.
YOU CAN'T REWRITE HISTORY....it's past and there for all to see...
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