Posted on 05/16/2006 2:52:45 PM PDT by Libloather
Cheney is on record as wanting fences or walls
Cheney should have been President. We would be getting real results for America now, IMHO...
Wouldn't this be a tremendous waste of resources -- to put a fence where there is no possibility of coming over the border? There is one thing some people are forgetting -- once a government project gets going, nothing stops it. The fence will be there forever. It will become a bottomless barrel of pork that will never end. Let's fence the most vulnerable and porous parts of the border first, then fill in the gaps where it is really needed. It seems to me that the Administration's approach to the fence is the rational one.
Now to be fair, it was 210.
Money for welfare for able-bodies Americans, but not for the border patrol.
"Wouldn't it be cheaper to arrest illegals, and sentence them to 90 days hard labor building the fence before they get deported?"
I have a better idea. How about for every so many illegals caught coming in at the border; we sentence a corrupt official to hard labor building the fence?(sarcasm)
Heck, it beats sitting out there picking their noses since they won't have any power to actually secure the border.
Good satire.
Any opening will be utilized. Nothing will prevent them, even rough terrain, from coming through the opening. Likely with assistance from the Mexican Government.
Kinda scary that the administration doesn't seem to have done an analysis on what kind of numbers the various guest worker plans will bring into our country.
And to add to Soul Seeker's #11 - W said he was going to put "up to" 6000 NG. That, taken with the rest of his speech, could mean 2.
Good interview. One of the problems is that we are dealing with people (Dems) who are 100% behind illegal immigration that they think benefits them because it adds to their dead and illegal voter pool, and are being supported by a bunch of radical organizations (ANSWER, Code Pink) that organize demonstrations of barely literate and extremely excitable Mexicans, who are then faithfully adored by the Dem "mainstream media."
Most Hispanics would be very happy to be (a) guest workers who go back to their own dysfunctional country with a handful of dollars and open a grocery store in their village; or (b) people who want to learn English, adapt, stay and become rich someday.
There are two problems: one is the Democrat party, which does not want them to do either of the above; the other is Mexico, which also does not want either of the above. I know that, theoretically, we have to court Mexico because they are a border state and should be (but are not) our friend.
Mexico is about to elect a raving lefty, sponsored by Chavez, as its president, because Fox and his supposedly reformist party (PAN) have been so ineffective and in fact have been more anti-American than Salinas and his party (PRI). The problem nobody is addressing is Mexico.
He cares so much he is sending the National Guard to the border to watch illegals cross the border. They can't apprehend or come near the invaders. The National Guard is there to do the work that the illegal immigrants simply won't do. Do the day-to-day support work for the border guard.
Then you focus ICE personnel at the gaps. A lot easier than focusing on 1,200 miles of border. Some Freepers seem to favor an all or nothing approach.
As long as it doesn't get in the way--of the search and traverse machine gun firing.
The Krauthammer quote was true. I have stopped watching "Special Report" because all they do is insult conservatives during the panel discussion.
I have lost all respect for Charles after he said tens of millions of Americans who are for enforcement of laws "should have their medications adjusted". Then Bush always talks to us as if we are little children who are throwing a baby tantrum.
W promised secure borders on 9/12.... W promised 2000 new agents per year....
Since they will not be apprehending any illegals, Bush may actually put the full 6,000 there.
The use of the National Guard to build more fences was spoken about in his speech last night:
"At the same time, we are launching the most technologically advanced border security initiative in American history. We will construct high-tech fences in urban corridors, and build new patrol roads and barriers in rural areas. We will employ motion sensors … infrared cameras … and unmanned aerial vehicles to prevent illegal crossings. America has the best technology in the world - and we will ensure that the Border Patrol has the technology they need to do their job and secure our border."
This is what I posted on May 13th:
I have a cousin in the Minute Man organization. He is telling me that the same technology used in prison fences would be used. They are talking about a 16 foot steel fence pitched at an angle to make climbing impossible. On top would be razor wire. Built in would be motion sensors and beams. Other electronic security measures would also be used: infrared sensing cameras, drones with cameras, etc.
And, this post on April 4th:
There is an old saying, "The cow has been let out of the barn." How does the cow get back into the barn? The answer: when she wants to come back in. The most important thing is to secure the barn. We need to erect a physical wall down the entire length of our southern border. Think through history how many countries have built walls. We can make this wall even more secure by high tech. They call it the virtual wall. With it we will know when someone is tunneling under the border or sneaking over in the dark of night. We will know when the border is being crossed like a smoke detector smells smoke. The Berlin Wall had 500 sentry stations. With a virtual wall, the sentries will be beems and drone aircraft loaded with infrared cameras. The only way one can cross the border will be at the official entry/exit points. When someone goes back to Mexico, they will need documentation--birth certificates etc. When someone goes to the United States, they will need an high tech work card that will be required to work. We can engineer other things to control our border. This is really not my expertise. Once we control the flow back and forth across the border, we create incentives for those who are here illegally to go through the naturalization process. One think I can think of, which brings home the cow analogy, is the idea of Social Security and retirement. If we can get the illegals to buy into Social Security, we can fix the Social Security system because of the lack of those paying into it. With Social Security, we can add strings, like the need to fulfill the requirements of naturalization. One incentive for this is that they will benefit from the prospect of retirement back in Mexico where their Social Security check will allow them to live their last days where their dollar goes a long ways. This would mean some sort of dual citizenship arrangement. The cows will go back to the barn when they retire. Those who save their money will also benefit and could retire early in Mexico. More cows will come home. Also, it would benefit to go back to Mexico for medical procedures (as some people have found out). If the only way is through the check points, you would increase the documentation process. One other thing, we need to modernize the naturalization process. This process puts too many people in a Catch-22 where they need to be employed to apply for naturalization and can't work unless their application has been accepted. Too many just don't bother with other bureaucratic complications and stay in the country illegally.
ICE practices catch and release.
yeah, yeah, I know the Prez said he'd end it. he doesn't need legislation to end that practice. he has no good track record to convince me I should believe him now.
Especially when Rep for the Prez Julie M goes on Hugh's show and starts talking down the fence and showing extreme relunctance to enforce the border.
They can say whatever they want, they have no desire to do it and I don't believe they will other then a few superficial grandstands to take the heat off.
When did non-citizens get more rights than Joe-Six-Pack citizens?
I know, I know, I am just another hate monger....sheesh
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