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Vice President Cheney radio interview - "Guard troops can install a section of fence"
Rush Limbaugh .com ^ | 5/16/06

Posted on 05/16/2006 2:52:45 PM PDT by Libloather

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To: Soul Seeker; Darkwolf377

Got to agree with Soul Seeker.

The President's comments in the past make it clear that he's ok with lax immigration. The reaction to the minutemen confirm that.

The President may have increased men on the Border but the results over the last 6 years are that they have been stunningly ineffective. It's hard to believe that they could have been that ineffective without a wink and a nod from the top.

When one solitary bust of Illegals in ohio makes national news, something is seriously wrong.

When they talk about putting guards on the border but not letting them patrol. They are telegraphing their intent not to take this serious.


61 posted on 05/16/2006 4:05:51 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: The Iceman Cometh
When did non-citizens get more rights than Joe-Six-Pack citizens?

If the Senate 'compromise' passes, illegals will have more rights than legals. A revolt maybe near...

62 posted on 05/16/2006 4:06:58 PM PDT by Libloather (As long as there are tests, there will be prayer in public schools...)
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To: Reactionary
There is nothing that can be done about the destruction of Western civilization through immigration and the destruction of the traditional family.

What an ignorant comment. Mexicans are more pro-family than Americans in general. That's been part of the problem with illegals. They insist on bringing the entire family with them over time.

63 posted on 05/16/2006 4:08:23 PM PDT by AmusedBystander (Republicans - doing the work that Democrats won't do since 1854.)
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To: Deguello
If ya'll don't mind, I would like to request the the section of fence for Texas be on the Mexican side of the Rio.

You need that river for what - exactly?

Ewwww - I know. Let's find a compromise. How about a wall smack-dab in the middle of the Rio? That satisfies everyone - no?

64 posted on 05/16/2006 4:15:42 PM PDT by Libloather (As long as there are tests, there will be prayer in public schools...)
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To: Deguello; All
And how about stocking the Rio Grande with....

"Sharks with Frikin Laser Beams!"

65 posted on 05/16/2006 4:19:00 PM PDT by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: DannyTN; Soul Seeker
The President's comments in the past make it clear that he's ok with lax immigration. The reaction to the minutemen confirm that.

That wasn't a reaction to the Minutemen. Look at the actual interview.

The President may have increased men on the Border but the results over the last 6 years are that they have been stunningly ineffective. It's hard to believe that they could have been that ineffective without a wink and a nod from the top.

What's the proof of this?

When one solitary bust of Illegals in ohio makes national news, something is seriously wrong.

With the media coverage. This subject hasn't been a hot issue in the news, ever. Only now with the May Day crap has it been. So why be surprised that only now is it being reported on, when no one's cared--certainly not the MSM.

When they talk about putting guards on the border but not letting them patrol. They are telegraphing their intent not to take this serious.

But it hasn't happened and we're already complaining about it.

Bush is a man who sticks by his principles. If he is going to do this, he's going to do it. In the past 24 hours he's gone from 0 to 6000 NG on the ground and the promise of a wall.

I'm just not getting this whole "We haven't talked about this for six years but we want it NOW!" trend.

66 posted on 05/16/2006 4:19:23 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Real Conservatives don't sit home on election day)
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To: Libloather

This is not going to be good enough for some on FR. If the President had said he was going to have built a 12 ft high concrete wall a thousand mile long, you would hear, THAT"S NOT GOOD ENOUGH, it should be 14 feet high and 3000 miles long.


67 posted on 05/16/2006 4:21:13 PM PDT by RetSignman
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To: rlmorel

that deserves a lol


68 posted on 05/16/2006 4:47:13 PM PDT by A message
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To: Darkwolf377
"That wasn't a reaction to the Minutemen. Look at the actual interview. "

I wasn't talking about the interview. I was talking about reactions to the minutemen in the past.

"What's the proof of this?"

Look Around, it's obvious.

So why be surprised that only now is it being reported on, when no one's cared--certainly not the MSM.

It's not being reported, because there is nothing to report on. Nobody is making arrests, because nobody thinks the system will actually do anything.

"Bush is a man who sticks by his principles. If he is going to do this, he's going to do it. In the past 24 hours he's gone from 0 to 6000 NG on the ground and the promise of a wall. "

I'd like to believe this, but on this one issue, he has failed us. A change would be nice, but I'm not convinced given his total disregard of this duty prior till now. And his speech still has a lot of mealy mouth talk in it. I agree with Joseph Farrah's analysis of Bush's speech.

"But it hasn't happened and we're already complaining about it. "

They did say they wouldn't be allowed to patrol. So why shouldn't we take them at their word. They've told us clearly they are going to limit the activities of the 6000 to surveillance and road and barrier construction. Why shouldn't we believe them and complain if that is insufficient? How can you say that? You've been on FR since at least 2004 and you know it's been discussed. Granted the country was a little distracted in 2001-2003 with the War on Terror, but even then there were a lot of people point to the borders and yelling "SECURITY BREACH".

"I'm just not getting this whole "We haven't talked about this for six years but we want it NOW!" trend."

WHAT!????

You have been on FR since at least early 2004 and you haven't seen this discussed?!!! Since 2001 there have been a ton of folks pointing to the border and yelling "SECURITY BREACH".

How long have the minutemen been operating? How long do you think we were fed up before they started?

It's not a case of not talking about it for 6 years. It's a case of talking about it and seeing nothing done for 6 years. In fact the problem has gotten noticeably worse.

69 posted on 05/16/2006 4:55:39 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: AmusedBystander
"What an ignorant comment. Mexicans are more pro-family than Americans in general."

I don't believe I addressed Mexicans or Mexican families. You did.

As a matter of fact, I addressed Americans and American familes.

70 posted on 05/16/2006 4:58:41 PM PDT by Reactionary (The Barking of the Native Moonbat is the Sound of Moral Nitwittery)
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To: DannyTN
WHAT!???? You have been on FR since at least early 2004 and you haven't seen this discussed?!!! Since 2001 there have been a ton of folks pointing to the border and yelling "SECURITY BREACH".

Chill out.

You're going to sit there and say that immigration was anything more than an occasional discussion around here? You're expecting anyone to think this level of "debate" has been going on since Bush entered office?

I've been here since 2001 and that's bull. Now and then someone would post an article, and that's it.

Look Around, it's obvious.

OK, no facts required--we "just know".

Yeah, ok.

71 posted on 05/16/2006 5:12:40 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Real Conservatives don't sit home on election day)
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To: Libloather
Now I dont doubt for a moment that Cheney shares basically the same position on illegal immigration that Bush does in fact he made it quite clear in the interview. However, is it just me or does Cheney come off much, much less insulting than the president does on this issue?
72 posted on 05/16/2006 5:16:31 PM PDT by mthom
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To: Darkwolf377
"You're going to sit there and say that immigration was anything more than an occasional discussion around here? You're expecting anyone to think this level of "debate" has been going on since Bush entered office? "

It's been more than a casual discussion. But there were other pressing issues, such as the War. However, it's reached this level, both because we are finally fed up, and because foreigners are now demonstrating on our soil and making demands, and because our Congress keeps tossing around the idea of granting both amnesty and citizenship to all of these illegals.

73 posted on 05/16/2006 5:17:54 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Robertsll
I thought Cheney didnt seem insulting at all in this interview. In fact he seemed like somebody I might even be able to bargain with/compromise with on this issue. What did you think?
74 posted on 05/16/2006 5:20:15 PM PDT by mthom
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To: Darkwolf377
If you think this has been ignored for the past six years you've been picking and choosing your threads; and we "were" going to get 10,000 troups on the border until Vincente' Fox called the President Sunday and it was lowered to 6,000 -- and now a threat that any guards harm one hair on their little heads the Mexican Government is going to sue the American Government.

BTW this evening the Senate reached a compromise and it's expected to pass tomorrow -- they've decided along with everything else it's okay to allow felons to stay in the USA.

The Hagel-Martinez Bill calculates out to about 196 million immigrants over the next 10-20 years. Our current population is 300 million, so we will grow by 2/3 -- all Hispanic.

75 posted on 05/16/2006 5:24:42 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: atomicpossum

Atomic possum is in charge.........


76 posted on 05/16/2006 5:41:12 PM PDT by jeremiah (How much did we get for that rope?)
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To: Darkwolf377
Why not? There are 12 million here...we turned back 6 million... Why can't both be true?

Because according to Bush's speech, we can turn back 6 million, but 12 million is an impossible task.

77 posted on 05/16/2006 5:43:40 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: SF Republican

According to Bush's speech, we can turn back 6 million, but 12 million is an impossible task.


78 posted on 05/16/2006 5:44:32 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Wolfstar

According to Bush's speech, we can turn back 6 million, but 12 million is an impossible task.


79 posted on 05/16/2006 5:44:59 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: rlmorel

Dr. Evil: Here's the plan. We get the warhead, and we hold the world ransomed for.....One MILLION DOLLARS!!
No.2: Ahem...well, don't you think we should maybe ask for *more* than a million dollars? I mean, a million dollars isn't exactly a lot of money these days. Virtucon alone makes over nine billion dollars a year!
Dr. Evil: Really?
No.2: Mm-hmm.
Dr. Evil: That's a number. Okay then. We hold the world ransom for.....One hundred..BILLION DOLLARS!!


80 posted on 05/16/2006 5:48:39 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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