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Who Are We To Say Who Is Overpaid?
Investor's Business Daily ^ | 29 December 2006 | Thomas Sowell

Posted on 12/29/2006 12:13:05 PM PST by shrinkermd

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To: DManA
I would suspect they do get value for it because their logo is plastered on everything and continually seen on TV.

And to tie Tiger into it, there are tournaments on foreign tours, especially in Asia, that will pay him to come and play. And what they pay him is in excess of what he would earn if he won the tournament.

Just having him in the field brings in the ticket sales and ad revenue from TV for these tournaments.

41 posted on 12/29/2006 1:49:36 PM PST by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: Phantom Lord

Maybe. How advertising works is a pure mystery to me.


42 posted on 12/29/2006 1:51:05 PM PST by DManA
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To: DManA

How advertising works is a pure mystery to me.






How so?


43 posted on 12/29/2006 1:53:13 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: DManA
I don't think the "perks" could be the reason they do it. It costs them millions. Many millions.

If they wanted the luxury boxes and amenities that go with them, they can be bought for far less. Corporate tents are all over the course at PGA events of any size and importance.

44 posted on 12/29/2006 1:55:41 PM PST by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: Phantom Lord

I don't get how they get millions and millions of benefit out of it.


45 posted on 12/29/2006 1:58:11 PM PST by DManA
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To: shrinkermd

I didn't say anything about "making" people take less, or using government to limit what people make.

Public opinion does count for something, and that was my point.


46 posted on 12/29/2006 1:58:50 PM PST by i_dont_chat (I have the right to offend. You can take offense or not.)
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To: DManA

You take the guys you are doing business to the events. It builds good will and gives you an advantage with customers/clients. Public relations people use the passes to "bribe" press for a favorable news story.


47 posted on 12/29/2006 2:00:34 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: durasell
Someone sees a logo on a tent. That induces them go buy a product? Commercials on TV. Half the time I can't figure out what they're advertising. The other half I shake my head and wonder what would make someone to out and buy that?

Stuff link that.

48 posted on 12/29/2006 2:00:48 PM PST by DManA
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To: 1rudeboy
There are a lot of people (not all necessarily here) that truly believe CEO's have a 9-to-5 job, and spend as much time at the club as at the office.

No doubt. If they knew what's required to become a CEO, they'd think differently. First you'd need to attend a first class university and graduate in the top of your class. Then you'll need to establish yourself with a good company and work ungodly hours proving your worth. At some point in this process you'll need to attend grad school, in your free time, all the while clawing your way through the ranks at the expense of your family, personal time and health. Most people who live and work this cutthroat life never end up as CEO's or even senior managers. Of course, you could always start your own company to become a CEO. Everyone knows just how easy taking that route can be.

CEO type compensation is one reason why American companies can attract the best talent. All the guys who run our foreign business units came from foreign companies. They are thrilled to be working for an American company mostly because the compensation is so good but also because they don't have to deal with so much bureaucracy and interference. The only thing they complain about are the insane hours and the intense pressure to perform.

Not exactly the country club life so many envision.

49 posted on 12/29/2006 2:02:06 PM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: DManA

The sports sponsorship stuff is just a cheap way to build good will among people you need to build good will among.
Same as a business dinner, only a lot more expensive.


The ads now are so targeted that unless you're in the demographic, you have no idea what they're selling. The Ford commercial that details a hundred years of truck history is as opaque to the average NYer as the magazine ad for Comme des Garcon Guerrilla is to a guy in Montana.


50 posted on 12/29/2006 2:06:15 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: shrinkermd

Sorry, Thomas, but when Pfizer pays a departing CEO a $180 million bonus and the price of prescription drugs is so high people have to go out of the country to get them, someone's salary is too high.


51 posted on 12/29/2006 2:08:52 PM PST by gcruse (http://garycruse.blogspot.com/)
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To: Waco

Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, etc. etc....:)


52 posted on 12/29/2006 2:10:43 PM PST by GOP_Raider (Go Utes!)
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To: shrinkermd

Read in today's Dallas Morning News that J.C. Penney's newest COO (on the job less than a year) was *hit canned yesterday and received a $10,000,000 "golden parachute" to get the heck out of Plano (Texas). I can see Penney's building from my office... I bet there a lot of career Penney corporate folks grumbling today (this COO was an outsider that honed her "skills" in the non-retail corporate world). Me thinks Penneys learned a very costly lesson over this.


53 posted on 12/29/2006 2:16:43 PM PST by Trajan88 (www.bullittclub.com)
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To: DManA
I don't get how they get millions and millions of benefit out of it.

I didn't say they got millions and millions of benefit, I said it cost them millions and millions. Which in turn must generate millions in benefits to be worth while though.

As you said, you don't understand advertising.

But, that being the case, why would McDonalds spend tens of millions of dollars on TV commercials? The same reason that SAS sponsors a Champions Tour event. The same reason that Nationwide sponsors the Nationwide Tour. To increase sales and revenue. Just a different road on the same map.

54 posted on 12/29/2006 2:25:43 PM PST by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: shrinkermd

I think athletes are more reasonably paid than CEOs. With athletes there is a direct correlation between success and compensation and you can clearly see how much money their efforts are generating. CEOs (of the ultra-high paid, hired gun type) tend to be paid hugely whether or not they perform and hired based on guesswork about whether their previous success was due to luck, situation or talent.


55 posted on 12/29/2006 2:26:49 PM PST by rebelyell7
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To: gcruse
Speaking of Phizer and your talk of his bonus and the price of drugs, here is pretty fair analogy.

How about when Lee Raymond left Exxon/Mobil and people complained about his $400 million retirement package. People tried to tie this into the high price of gas. But as we should always do, but rarely do, someone ran the numbers.

If every penny was taken from Raymond and applied to reducing the price of gas at the pump, the price for Exxon/Mobil gas would have fallen LESS than ONE PENNY!

Now, I don't have access to nor do I know of any way to find out. But find out how many "pills" Phizer produces, along with "injections" and other devliery devices. Take that total number and lets see how much per unit you get vs. $180 million.

I suspect you will find that the number is less than 1 penny.

56 posted on 12/29/2006 2:30:23 PM PST by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: Phantom Lord
The statists use that trick everytime they want to raise taxes Why are you complining, it's not even 1cent/gallon?

would have fallen LESS than ONE PENNY!

57 posted on 12/29/2006 2:34:09 PM PST by DManA
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To: Phantom Lord

Maybe I'm tinged from having worked at two different huge multinationals whose names you'd recognize instantly. They were both corrupt at the American top level. I don't know what they were like at HQ overseas.

The price of drugs is too high in part because of the FDA, but to my mind no one is worth what the Pfizer head got as a going away present.


58 posted on 12/29/2006 2:37:42 PM PST by gcruse (http://garycruse.blogspot.com/)
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To: gcruse
but to my mind no one is worth what the Pfizer head got as a going away present

Maybe, maybe not. But thats the free market. I hope you don't advocate government control over what people can be paid?

Sure, it would start out only affecting the very high dollar CEOs and the such, but soon it would be affecting everyone.

59 posted on 12/29/2006 3:22:15 PM PST by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: Phantom Lord

Plus that's an inane comparison. How many cents/share is that $400,000,000? What fraction of the dividend Exxon/Mobil payed out that year is $400,000?


60 posted on 12/29/2006 4:21:27 PM PST by DManA
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