Ancient DNA (Cheddar Man, Otzi, Etc)

International Society Of Genetic Geneology ^ | 1-7-2007

[nopardons]

Very interesting! Many thanks for the ping; as always.

[Knitting A Conundrum]

The DNA family studies I've looked at (ones where a number of people are researching a related ancestory), and have tested people in the same purported lines) have shown an amazing amount of faithfulness...more than modern assumptions would lead one to believe...

[Sherman Logan]

Interesting.

[Hawthorn]

> The DNA family studies I've looked at (ones where a number of people are researching a related ancestory), and have tested people in the same purported lines) have shown an amazing amount of faithfulness...more than modern assumptions would lead one to believe... <

Good observation. I can offer at least two hypotheses by way of explanation. And they aren't by any means mutually exclusive:

1. Families that value "faithfulness" will also tend to value the study of family history. So there's a self-selection bias among those people who study genealogy, whether or not they employ DNA analysis for their research.

2. Faithfulness is also correlated with factors that contribute to "family survivability" or "fitness" -- such as education, health status, and income. So over the long span of history, more children conceived "within marriages" will have survived to adulthood and will have borne children than will have children conceived in extra-marital and non-marital circumstances.

[Obviously however, the second hypothesis may lose its explanatory value for future generations of researchers, due to today's social pathology whereby out-of-wedlock births have lost most of their historical stigma and where government welfare programs have positively encouraged illegitimacy.]

[Dr. Bogus Pachysandra]

Wazzamatta U? No sense of humor? Cardiff Giant? Wasn't that the other fraud?
Where's Java man?

[Pharmboy]

HAHA...HOHO...HEEHEE...Oh boy...ya gots me...I'm laughing so hard I'm crying here...you must be life o' the party.

The Giant and Piltdown were hoaxes. Java man Homo erectus...

[Dr. Bogus Pachysandra]

Hmmm! You really don't have a sense of humor then? Of course they were fake! But the hubbub surrounding them was hugh and series when they were first "discovered." And, didn't Java man go missing for a long time? Or was that another partial skeleton? "Piltdown Man" was my favorite segment from Oldfield's "Tubular Bells."

[Pharmboy]

It was Peking Man (again, Asian Homo erectus) that was and IS still missing. Lost during WWII...all we have are the casts of the fossils.

[Dr. Bogus Pachysandra]

"It was Peking Man" Thanks! I didn't really think it was Java Man, but Peking (or is it Beijing?) Man was lost somewhere in the gray matter jumble.

[dhs12345]

Very interesting. Our Scottish ancestors are Munro (me) and Kerr (my wife). I am betting that there was a bit of intermarriage between the clans.

And I also have some Swede in me.

[Graymatter]

I didn't really think it was Java Man, but Peking (or is it Beijing?) Man was lost somewhere in the gray matter jumble.

I'm sorry, I don't have him. Have you looked in the pachysandra? Over the years I've lost eyeglasses, a wallet, half a bikini, my best wirecutters, and some very special shell casings, in pachysandra. But there's nothing in my jumble except the elderberry wine and some tea strainers.

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[Pharmboy]

Oh geez...I'm R1b just like (shudder, gasp) Charlie Rose??

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"Oh geez...I'm R1b just like (shudder, gasp) Charlie Rose??"

And...Dr Spencer Wells who is in charge of the National Geographic Genographic Project.

Have you been here and seen where the R1b trail comes/goes? If you're interested, go to the bottom, click on 'genetic markers' then look to the right on the next page and click on the R haplogroup.

I sent my DNA packet off today.

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"Oh geez...I'm R1b...just like Charlie Rose! Yecchhhh..."

A reminder ping.

[ZULU]

Take it from me - she’s a stiff!!

[SunkenCiv]

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