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The Conservative Case for Duncan Hunter
TownHall.com ^ | 2/2/07 | John Hawkins

Posted on 02/02/2007 10:39:18 AM PST by Antoninus

If you're looking for someone who can represent the conservative wing of the Republican Party in 2008, California Congressman Duncan Hunter fills that bill far better that any of the top contenders who have already gotten into the race. Here's a short, but sweet primer that may help explain why that's the case.

In this Oct. 30, 2006, file photo, Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., speaks at a news conference. Hunter, best known for his advocacy on behalf of the military, launched a longshot bid for the presidency Thursday in South Carolina. (AP Photo/Denis Poroy)

He Is The "National Security Candidate."

If you're looking for a candidate with credibility on national security issues, Duncan Hunter is your guy. Hunter is a hawkish, former Vietnam veteran who "served in the 173rd Airborne and 75th Army Rangers" and earned a Bronze Star. His son also served two tours in Iraq as a Marine, so we're talking about a guy who has had "skin in the game" over in Mesopotamia. Additionally, Hunter served on the House Armed Services Committee and rose to the rank of Chairman before the Democrat takeover in 2006.

So, when it comes to foreign policy issues like Iraq, we're talking about a candidate who oozes credibility. But, has he done an about face on Iraq now that the polls are against it? No, he strongly supports the surge and he had this to say about how he views the war in Iraq when I interviewed him back in December:

"Well, the U.S. is following in the same basic pattern that we've followed for 60 years in expanding freedom around the world. (The first step is) that we stand up a free government and we've done that in Iraq.

The second step is we stand up a military capable of protecting that government and the third step is the U.S. leaves. We followed that pattern in Japan and the Philippines and Salvadore and our own hemisphere and it's been the traditional and the effective method of this country spreading freedom around the world."

In my opinion, that's probably a better, simple explanation of what we're doing than George Bush has given in the last couple of years.

Good Fences Make Good Neighbors

Duncan Hunter has been one of the Republican House leaders in the fight against illegal immigration. Not only is Hunter the primary mover and shaker behind the San Diego border fence, he "wrote the Secure Fence Act" which George Bush signed into law in late October of last year.

Yet, Hunter has managed to avoid some of the harsh rhetoric that sometimes gets other tough-on-illegal-immigration pols in trouble. For example, in our interview last year, Hunter emphasized how important it is to get a fence up in order to prevent illegal immigrants from being killed as they cross the border:

"The first piece is that the major part of the fence is to be built between Calexico, California and Douglas, Arizona and that portion, that's 392 miles, that's the area through which most of the people come who have died of dehydration or sunstroke in the desert sun in the summer months.

So one provision that we put in there is that we have to have at least interlocking cameras...before the hot season, so there's a humanitarian dimension to this and that's something that's been missed by many of the liberals."

His Trade Position May Be a "Bug" To Republicans, But It Can Be A "Feature" To Democrats

There is one area in particular where Duncan Hunter departs from the conservative orthodoxy and that's on trade issues. He's neither a fan of free trade agreements like NAFTA and CAFTA, nor does he think we're getting a square deal on trade from China.

Although many Republicans will disagree with Hunter on this issue, many Democrats find themselves nodding their heads in agreement with what he has to say. In important electoral-vote-rich states like Ohio, Michigan, and Pennsylvania, Hunter's message will resonate with working class Democrats who might not otherwise vote Republican. That could be the crucial factor that swings an election in our favor in 2008.

All This And He's Socially Conservative, Too

There have been a lot of complaints that the two front-runners for the GOP nomination, John McCain and Rudy Giuliani, have little to offer to social conservatives who are going to have to turn out in 2008 if the GOP has a chance to win.

On the other hand, Duncan Hunter is opposed to gay marriage, staunchly anti-abortion, and should have no problem appealing to conservative Christians. As a matter of fact, Hunter has even introduced the, "Right to Life Act (which) specifically acknowledges the personhood of the unborn." Hunter says that bill, if passed, "would allow us to have a reversal of the effects of Roe v. Wade without a constitutional amendment."

He Has Lots Of Mileage, But No Heavy Baggage

One of the things that's becoming apparent about the top contenders in the race for the Republican nomination is that all of them have some extremely heavy baggage. We've got divorces, adulterers galore, candidates whom much of the party won't support for one reason or another, a candidate who will be 72 in 2008, and another one, who, unfortunately, may lose a considerable amount of support because of his religious beliefs. Now, Hunter? He has been married once, has no significant scandals to live down, and there don't appear to be any other major minuses that will cost him a few percentage points at election time. Could he have some scandal in his closet that we know nothing about? Maybe, but that's the case with any politician. At the moment, he looks very good on this front compared to the top contenders.

Furthermore, Duncan Hunter was first elected to Congress back in 1980. In a post 9/11 world, a Vietnam vet with 25+ years of experience in government makes a nice contrast to the trio of lightweights who are fighting for the Democrat nomination (Obama, 2 years in the Senate, Edwards, 6 years in the Senate, and Clinton, 6 years in the Senate). If there were another 9/11, with whom would you feel more comfortable in the Oval Office, John Edwards, who'd probably curl up in the fetal position under his desk, or a guy like Duncan Hunter, who has been around the block a few times?

To Know Him Is To Love Him, Or At Least To Like Him Better Than McCain

When you're taking a look at a 2nd tier candidate like Duncan Hunter, who has minimal name recognition at the national level, the first thing most people will think is, "Good, bad, it doesn't matter if he can't capture the nomination." That's a fair point. But, there have been a couple of indications that Hunter has what it takes to catch on.

The first was a mid-January "straw poll of Republican precinct committeemen" in Maricopa County, Arizona. Hunter took first place. He also did surprisingly well, given his lack of name recognition, in a poll of right-of-center bloggers. In that poll, Hunter drew the fourth highest level of support and when the level of opposition to each candidate was subtracted from that person’s support, Hunter actually came in second place.

Notice that in both cases, you have two groups of extremely well informed, conservative participants, that are probably several months ahead of the general public in knowledge about the candidates and in both cases, Hunter did very well. That's a strong indication that if Hunter can get his name out there, he can compete with the top tier candidates in the race.

Conclusion:

Granted, it's a little too early to endorse any candidate, Duncan Hunter included. After all, we don't know all the candidates that will be running yet and they haven't even had the first debate.

Moreover, there are a lot of different positions that many of the candidates have yet to take a stance on one way or the other. For example, there are 2nd Amendment issues. Hunter is "near perfect" there. A Balanced Budget Amendment? He supports it. What sort of judges would candidates appoint to the bench? Hunter would prefer someone like Scalia. Pardoning Border Patrol agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean? Hunter thinks that is the right thing to do. School vouchers, the missile defense shield, a 2/3 majority in Congress to raise taxes? Hunter is in favor of all of them.

Does that mean other candidates won't end up taking those same positions? No. Does it mean Hunter is perfect? No. But, when you compare Duncan Hunter to everyone else in the race right now, he looks very appealing. In the end, maybe that won't matter because Hunter won't get any traction, but I, for one, hope that conservatives will take a good, long look at Hunter before they make a decision on which candidate to support in 2008.

Mr. Hawkins is a professional blogger who runs Right Wing news and Conservative Grapevine, both of which are conservative blogs. He also writes a weekly column for Townhall.com. You can e-mail him at johnhawkins -at- rightwingnews.com


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To: zbigreddogz
I'm stating that in certain cases it is indeed a good thing. One size fits all, never does....

Call it a temporary "tax" or what ever you want too. Add up how many jobs around the world are attributed to the Harley Davidson Brand name, ok?
Then cry me a river because Reagan slapped a temp tax on Jap bikes above 750cc.

The best part is the japs never changed their DISPLACEMENT of the engines...they changed the decals...

case in point
Yamaha FZ 750 was changed to Yamaha FZ 700

Search the microfische in a parts dept and you'll see the same size piston (same bore and stroke year to year). They pulled a fast one on us... and in the long run.....

NO ONE WAS HURT

and a company (Brand Name) that now employs tens of thousands of workers WORLDWIDE was saved.

That's just absolutely HORRIBLE isn't it?
341 posted on 02/05/2007 2:32:23 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: taxed2death

Alright, so you're fine with politicians who raise taxes as long as they did it for a good reason?


342 posted on 02/05/2007 2:38:58 PM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: zbigreddogz
If it is a "PRO-US" position...that BENEFITS a US company and HELPS American workers, yes!

Why the hell not?

Reagan rescinded it when it was clear that HD could stand on it's own two feet.

This is the difference between "free traders"...and "fair traders".

In the long term it did not hurt the American consumer, any of the Jap bike manufacturers or anyone else I can think of.... except those for "free trade" because it broke the mold and shattered their flawed "formula" and silly mantra.

So be it.
343 posted on 02/05/2007 2:43:59 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: taxed2death
...slowing down the flow of jap bikes (750cc+) flowing into the US ...enabled Willie G Davidson the time and opportunity to buy back controlling shares of HD.

Still don't see how blocking jap bikes helped Davidson to buy back HD.

Look I'm glad for the legendary turnaround of HD with which you're apparently personally involved. But look at it another way. If HD had always been protected from the Japanese by tariffs, an inferior bike company would not have had the competitive environment needed to motivate this kind of turnaround. Again, the consumer won when free-market competition forced change.

So to go back to the original reference to Milton Friedman, fair markets create neither equality nor freedom, whereas free markets create a great deal of both. Also, free markets create wealth. One of the best, latest examples is Peru which moved from a closed market to an open, free-market economy a few decades ago. Whereas it used to be a fairly backward, poor country, Peru, in a relatively short amount of time, found itself with one of the best standards of living of any South American country.

344 posted on 02/05/2007 2:51:18 PM PST by Jim W N
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To: Jim 0216
By putting a tariff on large displacement jap bikes it slowed their sales, shifted a few consumers BACK towards buying HD...thus putting a bit more money into the AMF owned company. This (so it was explained to me) bought time for Willie G to scrounge up the funds needed to buy out a controlling interest in the company.

I have absolutely no personal stake in HD. I do not sell HD or any of their products.

"If HD had always been protected from the Japanese by tariffs, an inferior bike company would not have had the competitive environment needed to motivate this kind of turnaround. Again, the consumer won when free-market competition forced change."

There you go again...LOL


All or nothing, hugh?

Who says HD SHOULD have been permanently protected? Not me!

This is "free traders" biggest flaw...if it doesn't fit into their "all or nothing Friedman formula"...they sit around and scratch their heads...

I say take each case as it comes along. Things aren't always black and white... there's a hell of a lot of gray area in there too.

Hat's off to Peru! Fantastic, I'm glad to hear it... but I believe we (US) should use tariffs as a negotiating tool. if there is a case where a distinctly American Icon could be saved... why not?

A little bit of arm twisting never killed anyone. I'm not saying to blast a tariff on everything that comes ashore... that's just idiotic... but hey...
use 'em as leverage, everyone else does!
345 posted on 02/05/2007 3:06:23 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: taxed2death
I didn't ask about trade, I asked about taxes. Are tax increases good if they are for 'good reasons'?

The "I'm not a protectionist, I'm for fair trade" is the same sort of logic that has people say, "I'm not pro-abortion, I'm pro-choice."

346 posted on 02/05/2007 3:15:49 PM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: Jim 0216
Let's flip the coin here... you believe there is no intrinsic value to keep a Motorola or a Texas Instrument type company in American hands?


Would you rather see the tens of thousands of workers across the world who produce HD products be unemployed, just to "prove a point" that tariffs suck and "free trade" reigns superior in ALL cases?

That to me FRiend, is a strange outlook. But to each his own, it's still a (relatively) free country.
347 posted on 02/05/2007 3:17:34 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: zbigreddogz

A tariff is a tax.

Your analogy is a bad one. You logic is flawed. Abortion is an extreme life or death position. Trade is not. Trade is like international game of poker.
Tariffs are a tool and shouldn't be discarded just because someone doesn't have the balls to stand up for Americans.

Can you find me one single person who was hurt by the tariff that Reagan imposed?

Just one?


348 posted on 02/05/2007 3:21:35 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: taxed2death

Yes, I'm aware. So you are OK with pols who raise taxes as long as it's for a 'good reason' that 'helps U.S. Businesses'.

That's your right, but I suggest you read Adam Smith. Particularly the parts dealing with mercantilism.

Finally, yes, abortion is different, you are either deliberately or unthinkingly missing my point. My point has nothing to do with abortion, and everything to do with meaningless labels. There is no substantive difference between being pro-abortion and pro-choice. There is also no substantive difference between being for protectionism and being for 'fair trade'. One is just a code word for the other.


349 posted on 02/05/2007 3:39:03 PM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: zbigreddogz
OK, I'm for a limited degree of protectionism when it benefits American companies and Americans on a case by case basis. This would be a logical way to approach trade.

___________________________________________________________

Until the condition in the US is LOWERED to the same level as any shit-hole turd world country we should continue to use tariffs as a tool on a case to case basis. When your grandchildren get their choice job at age 10 hobbling around in feces filled streets weaving carpets...then and only then will we be on an even playing field with the rest of the world. How's that for pointless rhetoric?
Not bad,hugh?
350 posted on 02/05/2007 3:46:14 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: taxed2death

Yah, it's not bad. It's not true, and no respectable economist believes it, but it's good pointless rhetoric.


351 posted on 02/05/2007 3:55:15 PM PST by zbigreddogz
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To: zbigreddogz

You're right.

I'm wrong.

Me and you should start a petition to have HD liquidated, fire everyone, track down the few people in the late 70's who might have paid a bit more for their Jap bikes and give them the money.

That would prove that you were right and make everything better.


352 posted on 02/05/2007 5:59:06 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: taxed2death
Well, all I can say is that our wonderful country was not founded on the sympathies of government protecting us from the realities of life. People literally die to get here and become a citizen of a country that allows them to be free from government. They would rather die than not be free. They don't risk their lives to get here so they can have more of the same government intervention they are fleeing from. Some of the greatest patriots of America are our LEGAL immigrants who literally kiss the ground thanking God for their freedom. We who have grown up here often take these things for granted. You don't think freedom comes with a price? It most certainly does. Freedom has no guaranteed outcome - only the guarantee that government isn't going to stop you from your dreams.

We're living in times when people don't want to pay a price for being free. Government is always waiting in the wings to take over anything and everything it possibly can. We must deal with the failures of our businesses and companies to successfully compete in the marketplace. If we don't, we lose the sharp competitive edge needed to sustain true growth and independence. Otherwise, we're like little babies whining when we lose and wanting Big Brother Government to bail us out every time things don't go our way. And when that happens (as it does more and more), it's the beginning of the end of liberty. Our free way of life may not be perfect, not always "fair", but its better than anything else that's out there.

353 posted on 02/06/2007 8:51:28 PM PST by Jim W N
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To: Jim 0216

"Well, all I can say is that our wonderful country was not founded on the sympathies of government protecting us from the realities of life."

I kinda stopped reading after that.

How was government "paid for" before income tax?

Answer:

Tariffs.

They worked just fine before big government came along and became robber/ baron.

No one forces anyone to buy a product. You have a choice.

Government now forces us to pay income taxes. You have no choice.

Which is a bigger intrusion in your life?


354 posted on 02/06/2007 9:12:31 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: taxed2death
As I said in my original post, "cost-of-doing-business" tariffs or levies or charges are valid.

However, the greatest economic problem we face is big government (which, by the way, is currently engaged in mostly unconstitutional activities). It is a prosperity killer. Whether you pay for it with income taxes or tariffs (which is a form of tax) is just a matter of whether we get run over by a train or a bus.

I hate income tax too. I think legitimate constitutional government could be financed probably by legitimate sales taxes and tariffs (a form of sales tax).

355 posted on 02/07/2007 8:09:37 AM PST by Jim W N
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To: taxed2death
As I said in my original post, "cost-of-doing-business" tariffs or levies or charges are valid.

However, the greatest economic problem we face is big government (which, by the way, is currently engaged in mostly unconstitutional activities). It is a prosperity killer. Whether you pay for it with income taxes or tariffs (which is a form of tax) is just a matter of whether we get run over by a train or a bus.

I hate income tax too. I think legitimate constitutional government could be financed probably by legitimate sales taxes and tariffs (a form of sales tax).

356 posted on 02/07/2007 8:09:39 AM PST by Jim W N
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