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Libby jury hinting at deadlock
New York Daily News ^ | 3-3-07 | James Gordon Meek

Posted on 03/03/2007 1:56:15 PM PST by STARWISE

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To: STARWISE

there was never a chance at acquittal in this case, a hung jury is the only chance Libby has.


61 posted on 03/03/2007 6:25:26 PM PST by oceanview
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To: Perdogg

how are you reading that?


62 posted on 03/03/2007 6:28:26 PM PST by oceanview
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To: oceanview

We would like clarification of the term 'reasonable doubt


63 posted on 03/03/2007 6:37:09 PM PST by Perdogg (Cheney-Bolton 2008)
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To: Perdogg

yes, but the jurors who want to convict - could be getting a definition for the jurors who want to acquit because they see "reasonable doubt".


64 posted on 03/03/2007 6:42:14 PM PST by oceanview
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To: oceanview

I disagree. You don't want to to try to convince someone to vote in favor of conviction by defining reasonable doubt.

That doesn't make any sense.

REASONABLE DOUBT - The level of certainty a juror must have to find a defendant guilty of a crime. A real doubt, based upon reason and common sense after careful and impartial consideration of all the evidence, or lack of evidence, in a case.

Proof beyond a reasonable doubt, therefore, is proof of such a convincing character that you would be willing to rely and act upon it without hesitation in the most important of your own affairs. However, it does not mean an absolute certainty.


65 posted on 03/03/2007 7:01:05 PM PST by Perdogg (Cheney-Bolton 2008)
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To: STARWISE

Not Guilty.


66 posted on 03/03/2007 7:01:34 PM PST by Rosemont (What Mao Tse Maher said was much more offensive.)
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To: oceanview

http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2007/03/open_thread_sat.html


67 posted on 03/03/2007 7:07:38 PM PST by Perdogg (Cheney-Bolton 2008)
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To: BonnieJ

David Corn was the first to report (erroneously) that Valerie Plame was "undercover". Considering that Joe Wilson was his only source, I cannot imagine who leaked this information to him. </sarcasm>


68 posted on 03/03/2007 7:21:41 PM PST by Hoodat ( ETERNITY - Smoking, or Non-smoking?)
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To: BonnieJ
David Corn is a loathsome leftist and Washington editor for The Nation magazine that makes the NY Times look like the National Review. He would be even happier if they burned Libby at the stake.

David Corn

69 posted on 03/03/2007 7:30:12 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: gridlock
Clearly the government would have the option. But would they?

Depends how politically driven Fitz and the team are. With the '08 election already started, I'd not bet against it. Too much milk from that cow.

70 posted on 03/03/2007 7:33:23 PM PST by STARWISE (They (Rats) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: Perdogg
It sounds like the jury is hinting at acquittal.

A DC jury is extremely unlikely to acquit a Bush administration official loyal to VP Cheney. It is far more likely there is one (or perhaps two) holdouts on the jury unwilling to vote to convict Libby.

71 posted on 03/03/2007 7:34:28 PM PST by af_vet_1981 (Waiting for Samson)
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To: STARWISE
If Fitzfong does not get a conviction... there will be no pressure from the Drive By Media to retry Libby. After all, we now know he was not the leaker and isn't accused of anything but a process crime.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

72 posted on 03/03/2007 7:38:26 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Perdogg; oceanview; GOP_Muzik; Doctor Raoul; woofie; snarkytart; All

The "reasonable doubt" instructions given to the jurors:

http://www.talkleft.com/LibbyTrial/reasonabledoubt.pdf

I feel better reading that again.


73 posted on 03/03/2007 7:43:19 PM PST by STARWISE (They (Rats) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: BonnieJ

David Corn was the first to report (erroneously) that Valerie Plame was "undercover". Considering that Joe Wilson was his only source, I cannot imagine who leaked this information to him. </sarcasm>


74 posted on 03/03/2007 7:57:29 PM PST by Hoodat ( ETERNITY - Smoking, or Non-smoking?)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

I so do not want to have the rug pulled out from under me on this one.


75 posted on 03/03/2007 9:25:04 PM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Howlin

I feel the same way.

BTW Howlin...what is up with your tag line?
lol
You know most of us are using our PCs in the house and not our vehicles.
(Just teasing ya')
;-)


76 posted on 03/03/2007 10:32:32 PM PST by snarkytart
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To: snarkytart

You don't have a horn on your keyboard?


77 posted on 03/03/2007 10:41:43 PM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Howlin

Nope.

How about I just say "Honk?"


78 posted on 03/03/2007 11:47:32 PM PST by snarkytart
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To: STARWISE

His employer, DoJ would have to approve, but won't go for it, after the obvious fishing sham that he had pulled.

Media has been on trial already, they didn't like the taste of it one bit after Armitage story came out, and some of them narrowly escaped the hot seat only due to judge's rulings, they have absolutely no appetite for more... They have enough material here so they simply can recycle the same WH-OVP "conspiracy" story that Hollywood is producing for them just in time for '08.

Fitz would need something else to ask for retrial - new "evidence", evidence he feels he was not able to present due to judge's rulings, or evidence of jury prejudice ... he has nothing of the kind, if anything he got all the favors and preference and defense got almost nothing - there is no reason he can give for granting him a new trial.

Fitzfauxng did his hatchet job and maybe rewarded later by Democrats in power, but he was unmasked as a political hack with a law degree, and in that sense his case and he are done, over, finito...


79 posted on 03/03/2007 11:59:50 PM PST by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: Txsleuth

"how does the author of this figure there are 2 holdouts???"

Why "Attorneys close to the Case", of course!
The same anonymous attorneys who assured us that rove was going to be arrested in 24 business hours!!


80 posted on 03/04/2007 12:05:17 AM PST by tcrlaf (VOTE DEM! You'll Look GREAT In A Burqa!)
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