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Dinosaurs, early relatives coexisted
sfgate.com ^ | Friday, July 20, 2007 | David Perlman, Chronicle Science Editor

Posted on 07/20/2007 12:30:45 PM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp

UC Berkeley scientists, digging deep into a remote New Mexico hillside, have discovered a trove of fossil bones that they say is evidence that dinosaurs and their early relatives lived side by side for tens of millions of years before the relatives slowly died off and left the dinosaurs to dominate the ancient world.

Until now many scientists had thought that dinosaur "precursors" -- perhaps their ancestors -- disappeared suddenly long before the dinosaurs themselves rose to prominence, but the bones dug up by Berkeley paleontologists show evidence of a different story.

The discovery of a wide variety of creatures all mingled together in layer upon layer of rocks dating from Earth's late Triassic period between 235 million and 200 million years ago, they say, shows that the strange relatives of the dinosaurs remained on the scene while the dinosaurs evolved into truly dominant creatures during the Jurassic period, between 120 million and 200 million years ago.

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KEYWORDS: crevo; evolution
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To: Greg F

There is no missing link. That’s a phrase from the news media. There are a lot of transitional fossils.


81 posted on 07/20/2007 2:04:53 PM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: Greg F
You do know that paleontogy does not support darwin?

You are joking, n'est pas?

Paleontology, palaeontology or palæontology (from Greek: paleo, "ancient"; ontos, "being"; and λόγος, logos, "knowledge") is the study of prehistoric life forms on Earth through the examination of plant and animal fossils

82 posted on 07/20/2007 2:05:10 PM PDT by Riodacat (Ignorance is bliss. Knowledge, truth and reality sucks....)
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To: Greg F

Thank you for the heads-up. I can consider this a “pearls-before-the-swine” area then.


83 posted on 07/20/2007 2:06:54 PM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow (FR Member ItsOurTimeNow: Declared Anathema by the Council of Trent)
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To: Riodacat

84 posted on 07/20/2007 2:06:58 PM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: GunRunner
Well according to them I am probably apostate. it is sad that people can’t use the brains God gave them. There is nothing in the observable universe that betrays the bible.

If the anyone could create something like a dinosaur it was the Almighty, and he has all the time to do it in.

I find this line of reasoning turns more people off to Christianity than anything. make us look like ignorant buffoons.

“I believe in God the father almighty, maker of only one solar system and not really all that old, despite glaring evidence to the contrary, which of course is all made up to test us”

85 posted on 07/20/2007 2:11:48 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Hillary has already beat Rudy, She is the better cross-dresser.)
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To: Tokra
I wonder what the "Crevo's" think when they read in Genesis chapter 1 that God created all the animals first and then Adam, or read in chapter 2 that God created Adam first and THEN created the animals.

In chapter 1 God created the animals and mankind (not Adam). In chapter 2 He created Adam and the domestic animals (to till the ground).

Adam was the "first man" in the Adamic line, the line to Christ.

86 posted on 07/20/2007 2:12:39 PM PDT by Ping-Pong
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To: GunRunner

I have the word of the Bible which via archeology has been proven to be accurate through related finds. So by my faith I believe the whole book.

It is a all or none thing.

Also I do not assert that you worship monkeys, I do not know who or what you worship, but I can tell by your professions here you do not believe in the one true God or you wouldnot doubt him.

BTW, If you say you are atheist doesn’t that in itself mean you have to belief in a God to say you do not believe in Him.


87 posted on 07/20/2007 2:13:07 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: GraniteStateConservative

Oh cool, the Jesus Flintstone picture, have not seen that in a while.


88 posted on 07/20/2007 2:16:17 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Hillary has already beat Rudy, She is the better cross-dresser.)
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To: Resolute Conservative
Man is limited in his knowledge of physics...

Man is limited as well in his knowledge of God, yet that hasn't stopped uppity creationists from saying it's impossible (impossible!) for God to have allowed evolution to take place.

89 posted on 07/20/2007 2:17:31 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Nathan Zachary
We are as we always have been.

Your argument would be a bit stronger if you found human remains in Triassic rock.

90 posted on 07/20/2007 2:19:28 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: LtKerst
The bones were all together because they all drown together in God’s flood, and then all settled in the cave together..as the water receeded ...easy.

Missed the Ark by what, half an hour or so?

91 posted on 07/20/2007 2:20:50 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Alter Kaker

Hmm. Depends on your definition of evolution I guess. I did not evolve from amoebas to amphibian to primates to me. If God wants me to know what happen prior to written history as far as an exact time line goes he will let me know after the White Throne Judgment.


92 posted on 07/20/2007 2:21:46 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Alter Kaker
That’s it in a nut shell. I get a kick out of people limiting the Almighty because they can’t understand a boundless power. A power evidenced in an incredibly beautiful and limitless universe.
93 posted on 07/20/2007 2:21:53 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Hillary has already beat Rudy, She is the better cross-dresser.)
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To: Caesar Soze
Ya know? The Borg did it all wrong.

Rather than trying to take us by force, they shoulda offered to only accept people who volunteered, and only if they could afford it.

Target the halt, the crippled and the lame, formerly active people who became quadriplegics, the elderly with failing bodies.

Offer them a new full and active life that they are guaranteed to live in a state of near ecstasy and stand back from the door!

94 posted on 07/20/2007 2:22:01 PM PDT by null and void (We are a Nation of Laws... IGNORED Laws...)
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To: Resolute Conservative
I for one will not lock down 6,000 versus 9,000 that number is a matter of conjecture...

Why not? Are you saying that Bishop Usher didn't know what he was talking about?

95 posted on 07/20/2007 2:23:50 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Greg F
I don’t think you have to believe that God made the universe look older to make the Bible true.

Amen to that. ALL of the evidence points to the universe being around 15 billion years old. Doing such a thing would basically make God a liar. The heavens declare God's glory and part of that glory is being able to see galaxies that are more than 12 billion years old. Besides, if God is out of space-time as an author is out of a book that he wrote, time in our universe means nothing to Him.


96 posted on 07/20/2007 2:24:25 PM PDT by DallasMike
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To: Non-Sequitur

Maybe his calculator had a weak battery? ;)


97 posted on 07/20/2007 2:24:49 PM PDT by dontposttome
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To: Greg F
You do know that paleontogy does not support darwin? The missing links are still missing.

I also know that to some, any new discovery that fits in a spot where a rational person would say there was a missing link creates in the mind of the True Believer nothing more than TWO gaps, one on either side of the former gap.

98 posted on 07/20/2007 2:26:37 PM PDT by null and void (We are a Nation of Laws... IGNORED Laws...)
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To: Alter Kaker
Man is limited as well in his knowledge of God, yet that hasn't stopped uppity creationists from saying it's impossible (impossible!) for God to have allowed evolution to take place.

Someone said something quite similar a few years ago: "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

99 posted on 07/20/2007 2:26:45 PM PDT by mgstarr (KZ-6090 Smith W.)
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To: spyone
Be prepared for 3 main answers that creationists retort with:

1. The lazy creationists just say that when God created the universe, he added in existing light trails from the stars to Earth, so that the light that would normally take millions of years to reach Earth already existed.

2. More committed creationists attribute some kind of unknown light acceleration force that we haven't discovered yet outside of our solar system. They believe there is some mysterious convection or compression mechanism that lies somewhere between all the stars in the universe and Earth which allows light to travel faster than light.

3. The serious creationists argue that the speed of light has been exponentially slowing down since God created the universe 6,000 years ago. Basically, when God constructed the cosmos, the speed of light was instantaneous. Ever since then, light has been slowing down; that's why the light from distant stars seems to take many years to get to us. Some even claim to have calculated the speed of decline, and (surprise!) 6,000 years ago is when the speed of light reaches infinity.

Its all very amusing, but just mentioning this example is enough to initiate some critical thinking on their part.

100 posted on 07/20/2007 2:28:09 PM PDT by GunRunner (Come on Fred, how long are you going to wait?)
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