Posted on 08/20/2007 11:08:33 PM PDT by sevenbak
Over the last several months, I have noticed a huge increase of hyjacked threads on all the Mitt Romney posts. It seems eveyone wants to talk about his religion, good or bad, but rarely in any contexts that are relevant to the election.
So I'm posting a few references from LDS scriptures and doctrine that speak to the heart of the matter.
Please, let's keep this discussion about the political ramifications of Mormon doctrine regarding our inspired Constitution and this great nation.
Thanks,- Sevenbak
And, in my opinion, this first one is what Mitt should quote again and again if he ever ends up doing the "JFK speech"
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D&C 104:9 We do not believe it just to mingle religious influence with civil government, whereby one religious society is fostered and another proscribed in its spiritual privileges, and the individual rights of its members, as citizens, denied.
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D&C 98: 5 And that law of the land which is constitutional, supporting that principle of freedom in maintaining rights and privileges, belongs to all mankind, and is justifiable before me.
6 Therefore, I, the Lord, justify you, and your brethren of my church, in befriending that law which is the aconstitutional law of the land;
7 And as pertaining to law of man, whatsoever is more or less than this, cometh of evil.
8 I, the Lord God, make you afree, therefore ye are free indeed; and the law also maketh you free.
9 Nevertheless, when the wicked rule the people mourn.
10 Wherefore, honest men and wise men should be sought for diligently, and good men and wise men ye should observe to uphold; otherwise whatsoever is less than these cometh of evil.
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D&C 101:77 According to the laws and constitution of the people, which I have suffered to be established, and should be maintained for the rights and protection of all flesh, according to just and holy principles;
78 That every man may act in doctrine and principle pertaining to futurity, according to the moral agency which I have given unto him, that every man may be accountable for his own sins in the day of judgment.
79 Therefore, it is not right that any man should be in bondage one to another.
80 And for this purpose have I established the Constitution of this land, by the hands of wise men whom I raised up unto this very purpose, and redeemed the land by the shedding of blood.
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D&C 104:1 We believe that governments were instituted of God for the benefit of man; and that he holds men accountable for their acts in relation to them, both in making laws and administering them, for the good and safety of society.
2 We believe that no government can exist in peace, except such laws are framed and held inviolate as will secure to each individual the bfree exercise of cconscience, the right and control of property, and the protection of life.
3 We believe that all governments necessarily require civil officers and magistrates to enforce the laws of the same; and that such as will administer the law in equity and justice should be sought for and upheld by the voice of the people if a republic, or the will of the sovereign.
This election is not about moralty or religion.It is about the security of our nation and its future as a world becon for political, social and economic freedom.
I have friends who are LDS, but I do not discuss theology with them.
"Wherefore, honest men and wise men should be sought for diligently, and good men and wise men ye should observe to uphold; otherwise whatsoever is less than these cometh of evil." D&C 98:10
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Who cares? Its irrelevant, and Mitt should be saying like Ronald Reagan would:
"There you go again, talking about my religious beliefs. Why don't you ask Mr. O'Bama, my fellow Irishman what his are, after being raised in an Islamic household during his youth. Or maybe you might as Mrs. Clinton what hers are? I know I am the first Mormon to run for the chief executive office of our nation, but the religious question is irrelevant. The real issue is our national security and our future as a beacon for social, economic,and political freedom within our country and for the world as a whole.
Because of my religion , perhaps I have the strength to assure our nations security, or perhaps that strength is because of my family, or perhaps it is because all of you have such wonderful 1st amendment rights as news people in a free nation. BUt it is that strength I bring to this office, regardless of where it originates.
That is how Mitt should address the question. And they would soon stop asking it. You can have Mitts people call me at home after Freepmailing me here , to be one of his speach writers, but a warning. Duncan has already made the call.
Who wrote the scriptures you quoted above?
Great answer! I do, totally, agree it is off base for the media to ask him those questions about his faith. However, I’m also intrigued because most of those MSM reporters have so little regard for “faith”, but they seem morbidly obsessed by Mitt’s faith?! What gives? Someone really needs to tell them it is none of their business.
Don’t need to bookmark, this thread is bound to be here this afternoon!
I don’t care about his religon, I hate the man.
Another mature post from you. I bet when your Mommy did not let you have candy before dinner, you hated her also.
The LDS church was persecuted in its early years, but people
who opposed them were right to oppose polygamy in the Mormon religion.
I think that experience translates into First Amendment support from Mormons but it also leads to a get along “moderate” mentality to avoid the conflicts of the church’s early years.
At the grassroots many LDS Church people are very conservative but leadership like in our own goverment changes the rules to get along.
The LDS Church is in some ways a microcosm of the nation as a whole. Very conservative grassroots and a moderate get-along leadership class.
Romney is a liberal plain and simple, but he will say anything he thinks can get him elected.
I was at a gun show on Sunday in Pasadena TX. I got to talking politics with the eye towards gun control with a dealer I know and a few others. The general concesus is that there is not difference between Romney, Rudy, and Hitlary on conservative issues.
No, I'm not LDS, I just lived in Salt Lake City for 8 years.
Amen to that!
11 We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.12 We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
Boston Herald - Author: CASEY ROSS Date: Jul 20, 2007 [Jay Garrity] remains under investigation by the Suffolk District Attorney's Office for allegedly impersonating a law enforcement officer in a May 13 phone call to a Wilmington plumbing company. During the phone call, Garrity allegedly referred to himself as "Trooper Garrity" and told the plumbing company its driver was operating erratically. A spokesman for Suffolk District Attorney Daniel Conley said the investigation remains "open and active." Garrity's attorney has denied that he made the phone call.
A spokesman for [Mitt Romney] issued an e-mailed statement. "No one on the Mitt Romney for President campaign is authorized to use a badge, nor has the campaign provided anyone with a badge," the statement reads. "Jay Garrity is not working on the campaign because he continues to be on a leave of absence." Note, the last staement, does not say no one knew about the badges, or no one knew about the use of the tile Trooper
Romney aide is the focus of probe Allegedly acted as State Police trooper Bosto.com | June 22, 2007
State Police are investigating one of Mitt Romney's top campaign aides for allegedly impersonating a trooper by calling a Wilmington company and threatening to cite the driver of a company van for erratic driving, according to two law enforcement sources familiar with the probe.
Jay Garrity, who is director of operations on Romney's presidential campaign and a constant presence at his side, became the primary target of the investigation, according to one of the sources, after authorities traced the cellphone used to make the call back to him. The investigation comes three years after Garrity, while working for Romney in the State House, was cited for having flashing lights and other police equipment in his car without proper permits.
The New Hampshire attorney general, according to the Associated Press, has also opened an investigation into a report that a Romney aide, later identified as Garrity, pulled over a New York Times reporter in New Hampshire and said he had run his license plate.
New Hampshire law prohibits private citizens from accessing license plate databases or pulling over fellow citizens.
In the phone call to the Wilmington company, which was recorded by an answering service and obtained by the Globe, a man who identifies himself as "Trooper Garrity with the Massachusetts State Police" complains about the driving of a van owned by Wayne's Drains Middlesex Sewers of Wilmington. The caller repeatedly says he is a trooper and questions when the driver will return to the office.
"I'm going to get the address of your company," the caller says during the May 13 call. "I'm going to come down to your company. I'm going to personally issue this driver a citation for both speeding, driving erratic, cutting across."
"The whole thing was just hinky," said Wayne Barme, owner of the Wilmington drain and sewer cleaning company, whose wife, Dot, contacted State Police after receiving the complaint.
Romney campaign spokesman Kevin Madden said that he was unaware of any investigation and that he could not comment further because Garrity was not working for the campaign the day of the call.
"It's not related to any actions or duties that were performed as a campaign employee," Madden said.
Messages left for Garrity through the campaign were not immediately returned.
Jake Wark, a spokesman for Suffolk District Attorney Daniel F. Conley, confirmed that there is an "open and active" investigation into the phone call.
"I can confirm that there is an investigation into a phone call made by an individual representing himself as a state trooper," Wark said. "At this time, and in light of the evidence we have reviewed, we do not believe that that individual was a state trooper."
A State Police spokesman would not confirm that there is an investigation. He said no one by Garrity's name had been arrested or received a summons.
Another spokesman said that there is no Trooper Garrity at the E4 Tunnel Barracks, the barracks the caller named when speaking to Wayne's Drains.
The charge of impersonating an officer, a misdemeanor, carries a penalty of a fine of up to $400 or up to one year in prison.
As he did in the State House when Romney was governor, Garrity plays the role of gatekeeper on the presidential campaign. Frequently seen in a pressed suit with a coiled earpiece in his ear and a microphone tucked into his sleeve, he shadows Romney at his public campaign appearances, shuttles him from event to event, and carefully monitors Romney's dealings with the public and the media trailing the campaign.
This week, Romney's campaign denied that the Times reporter's license had been checked or that his vehicle was pulled over. The reporter, Mark Leibovich, is sticking by his report.
In the Massachusetts incident, the purported trooper says in the call that he was driving through the Ted Williams Tunnel and was unable to pull over the driver who was cutting off cars.
Later, he adds: "Unfortunately, I could not catch up with him, but I did witness him driving like a maniac through the tunnel, cutting off vehicles, and I just had the Mass. Pike department of video surveillance go through the video so I could pull the license plate number and the company name off this vehicle."
Barme's wife contacted the State Police and provided the caller's cellphone number, which has since been disconnected.
In 2004, the Globe reported, Garrity was cited and fined for driving a Crown Victoria with red and blue lights mounted in the grill, a siren, a PA system, and strobe lights; and for having a nightstick and identification showing a State Police patch that read "Official Business."
Garrity was also cited for having windows that were more deeply tinted than state law permits.
Who is in-charge, Mitt or ????
Does Mitt believe in "background checks" ???
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