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Caught On Tape: Crystal Cathedral Hit By Tagger
cbs ^ | Sep 25, 2007 9:18 pm US/Pacific

Posted on 09/25/2007 11:04:59 PM PDT by BenLurkin

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To: BenLurkin
"We've got several large plate glass windows in the arboretum (that) there's only one glass manufacturer in the United States that still makes it because the building is so old,"

Huh? It was built from 1977-1980.

21 posted on 09/26/2007 12:15:36 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Pope to politicians: "(Do) not to allow children to be considered as a form of illness.")
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee

You’re thinking of it in terms of sound. It’s simple expansion: B-1-R = B-ONE-R.


22 posted on 09/26/2007 12:18:42 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Pope to politicians: "(Do) not to allow children to be considered as a form of illness.")
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To: A6M3

I’d wager that church has given away more money than you’ll make in 100 lifetimes. Your comment was pathetic.


23 posted on 09/26/2007 12:19:50 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Hillary has pay fever. There she goes now... "Ha Hsu, ha hsu, haaaa hsu, ha hsu...")
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To: BenLurkin

There has been an explosion of graffiti in north Orange County. Yet one more benefit of Bush’s open border fetish. That, and three families to a house.


24 posted on 09/26/2007 12:25:56 AM PDT by Pelham (The DREAM Act, amnesty by stealth + chain migration)
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To: newzjunkey

True, but we are thirty years down the road. And thirty years is a long time with the world changing the way it is today.


25 posted on 09/26/2007 12:28:19 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Hillary has pay fever. There she goes now... "Ha Hsu, ha hsu, haaaa hsu, ha hsu...")
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To: I still care

Oh, he’ll have another little surprise when he’s caught. 30k damage makes it a felony. He’s facing big trouble.


26 posted on 09/26/2007 12:35:46 AM PDT by ArmstedFragg
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To: newzjunkey; KayEyeDoubleDee

Urban Dictionary: b1r
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=b1r


27 posted on 09/26/2007 12:47:48 AM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt.)--has-been, will write Duncan Hunter in)
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To: DoughtyOne; A6M3
I’d wager that church has given away more money than you’ll make in 100 lifetimes. Your comment was pathetic.

The good works are rightly acknowledged. What concerns me is that Schuler's teachings appear to deviate from Biblical Truth. This one quote alone raises alarm bells, and it was more than 20 years ago:

"I don't think anything has been done in the name of Christ and under the banner of Christianity that has proven more destructive to human personality and hence counterproductive to the evangelical enterprise than the often unproved and un-Christian strategy of attempting to make people aware of their lost and sinful condition".
-Reverend Robert Schuler, Time Magazine, March 1985

28 posted on 09/26/2007 1:47:33 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: mkjessup

This certainly must be a federal offense, a true hate crime — to deface a beautiful cathedral — even if the offender also is a Christian.


29 posted on 09/26/2007 2:47:32 AM PDT by Snapping Turtle (Slow down and get a grip!)
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To: BenLurkin

FTA - “Anybody who does this kind of thing is lost and needs to be found, Nason told Channel 9.” NO! Anybody who does this kind of thing needs to be in prison (for a long time). That’s why these problems keep occurring - there is no real punishment!


30 posted on 09/26/2007 3:01:43 AM PDT by jhroberts
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To: Starwolf
Just for historical context:

In 1516-17, Johann Tetzel, a Dominican friar and papal commissioner for indulgences, was sent to Germany by the Roman Catholic Church to sell indulgences to raise money to rebuild St Peter's Basilica in Rome. In Roman Catholic theology, an "indulgence" is the remission of punishment because a sin already committed has been forgiven; the indulgence is granted by the church when the sinner confesses and receives absolution. When an indulgence is given, the church is extending merit to a sinner from its Treasure House of Merit, an accumulation of merits it has collected based on the good deeds of the saints. These merits could be bought and sold.

On October 31, 1517, Luther wrote to Albert, Archbishop of Mainz and Magdeburg, protesting the sale of indulgences. He enclosed in his letter a copy of his "Disputation of Martin Luther on the Power and Efficacy of Indulgences," which came to be known as The 95 Theses. Hans Hillerbrand writes that Luther had no intention of confronting the church, but saw his disputation as a scholarly objection to church practices, and the tone of the writing is accordingly "searching, rather than doctrinaire." Hillerbrand writes that there is nevertheless an undercurrent of challenge in several of the theses, particularly in Thesis 86, which asks: "Why does not the pope, whose wealth today is greater than the wealth of the richest Crassus, build the basilica of St. Peter with his own money rather than with the money of poor believers?"

Luther objected to a saying attributed to Johann Tetzel that "[a]s soon as the coin in the coffer rings, the soul from purgatory springs," insisting that, since forgiveness was God's alone to grant, those who claimed that indulgences absolved buyers from all punishments and granted them salvation were in error. Christians, he said, must not slacken in following Christ on account of such false assurances.

According to Philip Melanchthon, writing in 1546, Luther nailed a copy of the 95 Theses to the door of the Castle Church in Wittenberg that same day — church doors acting as the bulletin boards of his time — an event now seen as sparking the Protestant Reformation, and celebrated every October 31 as Reformation Day. Some scholars have questioned the accuracy of Melanchthon's account, noting that no contemporaneous evidence exists for it. Others have countered that no such evidence is necessary, because this was the customary way of advertising an event on a university campus in Luther's day.

The 95 Theses were quickly translated from Latin into German, printed, and widely copied, making the controversy one of the first in history to be fanned by the printing press. Within two weeks, the theses had spread throughout Germany; within two months throughout Europe.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther (Footnote numbers edited from text.)

The short answer is no. Nailing it to the door was acceptable practice then. And today, Martin Luther would have probably used the equivalent modern means - adhesive tape - to temporarily affix the document to the church's door or, more likely, stapled it to an advertising kiosk in the university commons area (a place where it might actually be noticed given the low estate that church attendance and religious observance has fallen to on university campuses these days).

31 posted on 09/26/2007 3:16:55 AM PDT by Captain Rhino ( Peace based on respected strength is truly peace; peace based on weakness is ignoble slavery)
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To: Captain Rhino

No, today Brother Martin would have posted it on his blog—or started a “95 Theses” thread on Free Republic!


32 posted on 09/26/2007 3:40:06 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Alas Babylon!

Touche!

(Sorry, don’t know the HTML for the accent mark.)


33 posted on 09/26/2007 3:43:25 AM PDT by Captain Rhino ( Peace based on respected strength is truly peace; peace based on weakness is ignoble slavery)
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To: Starwolf

It was common practice in Martin Luther’s time to nail lecture notes to the door. It has never been common practice to vandalize.


34 posted on 09/26/2007 4:26:27 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: Snapping Turtle
This certainly must be a federal offense, a true hate crime — to deface a beautiful cathedral — even if the offender also is a Christian.

What's your point?
35 posted on 09/26/2007 5:31:37 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: Captain Rhino
OMG.....the reference to "indulgences" and the "Treasure House of Merit" in post # 31 above has an absolutely uncanny resemblence to Algore's "carbon credits" racket.....oops, sorry..... profitable environment business aimed at suckers.

"Algore's House of Indulgences" has a nice ring to it.

Leni

36 posted on 09/26/2007 5:44:57 AM PDT by MinuteGal (Three Cheers For the FRed, White and Blue !)
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To: BenLurkin

what - no insurance ?


37 posted on 09/26/2007 5:47:29 AM PDT by Revelation 911 (prov 30:33)
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To: BenLurkin
Standing in front of one tag, Nason said, "We're obviously seeing someone that has their own particular tag."

Abuse of language alert: Nason sees a video of a single male scratching B1R but cannot say, as he should, "...someone that has his own particular tag."
38 posted on 09/26/2007 5:48:13 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: MinuteGal

I like...I like.

Let’s see:

“When, in my coffers, your carbon debt is washed clean, another patch of urban desert becomes green!”

Okay, I’ll keep working on it.


39 posted on 09/26/2007 8:33:30 AM PDT by Captain Rhino ( Peace based on respected strength is truly peace; peace based on weakness is ignoble slavery)
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To: Thinkin' Gal

B1R BobDole


40 posted on 09/26/2007 8:39:26 AM PDT by ichabod1 ("Self defense is not only our right, it is our duty." President Ronald Reagan)
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