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Repeal Seventeenth Amendment
States' Liberty Party ^ | September 22, 2002 | John MacMullin

Posted on 10/20/2007 3:45:27 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

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1 posted on 10/20/2007 3:45:28 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: 3D-JOY; abner; Abundy; AGreatPer; Albion Wilde; alisasny; ALlRightAllTheTime; AlwaysFree; ...

PING!


2 posted on 10/20/2007 3:46:12 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Repeal the Terrible Two - the 16th and 17th Amendments. Sink LOST! Stop SPP!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Yes, yes, YES . . . . . . . 1,000 times YES!!!!. Repeal this dreck Amendment and restore our REPRESENTATIVE republic to the structure that the Founding Fathers intended!!!!!


3 posted on 10/20/2007 3:50:18 PM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

This is the exact amendment that has caused the horrible shift of power that has gone one. its repeal would put the system of checks and balances back in operation. The US senates responsiblty were outlined for a group that would not be subject to PUBLIC pressure.

House is for the people
Senate is for the States

Many replican state houses have liberal senators.
Senator are presently suject to lobbys and corruption. So anyone who wants campaign finiance reform should more be looking at the repeal of this amendment. Doing so would go a long way to fixing the country. Fixing corruption. Fixing how judges are selected and stop judges that overreach.

There needs to be a grass roots to repeal this.


4 posted on 10/20/2007 3:53:43 PM PDT by genxer
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

This is one of former Senator Zell Miller’s most passionate conclusions after leaving the Senate.


5 posted on 10/20/2007 4:01:22 PM PDT by bukkdems (Muslims, not rednecks, marry first cousins. http://www.consang.net/index.php/Global_prevalence)
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And while we’re at it let’s get rid of 14 too. That one has led to a tremendous amount of mischief including the ridiculous concept of the anchor baby. Nobody born in the United States was brought here against their will. Job done. Away with the accursed 14th I say.


6 posted on 10/20/2007 4:06:26 PM PDT by trek
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Sounds good to me.


7 posted on 10/20/2007 4:12:27 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th
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Repeal the 17th Amendment and the Democrats control the senate. They control both houses of the legislature in 23 states. That 46 seats right there. In 11 states the Democrats control one house and the Republicans control the other. Assume they compromise and split the Senate seats between the two parties and that’s still 11 more Democrats in the Senate. Final total is 57 Democrats and 43 Republicans.


8 posted on 10/20/2007 4:16:02 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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EXACTLY!


9 posted on 10/20/2007 4:16:51 PM PDT by JSDude1 (When a liberal represents the Presidential Nominee for the Republicans; THEY'RE TOAST)
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I think something along the lines of the German Bundesrat would work. Allow each state to send an ambassador to the federal government and instead of giving them a fixed term, allow Senators to be recalled at the instruction of their home government. Such a change would transform the Senate into a watchdog on the central government and into a more effective advocate of state interests.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

10 posted on 10/20/2007 4:18:57 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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Temporarily (as we know most people in the states are conservative minded); that will be remedies in the normal if it happens, electoral process).. It will have the long term-effect of having much more conservative senators!


11 posted on 10/20/2007 4:19:00 PM PDT by JSDude1 (When a liberal represents the Presidential Nominee for the Republicans; THEY'RE TOAST)
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[looks at California Legislature]

Hell, no.

12 posted on 10/20/2007 4:21:47 PM PDT by RichInOC ("Working With Idiots Can Kill You"-Weekly World News "Not if you kill them first."-Rich)
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I’ve long believed this Amendment needs to be repealed. Doing so would do much more to reform lobbyist influence than McCain-Feingold. Senators who are not popularly elected need not raise huge campaign war chests. Likewise, I think it would probably have a positive impact on porkbarreling. At present, a Senator makes his name by bringing home Federal tax dollars from across the 50 states, and slapping his name on a bridge, highway or Army Reserve Armory for all of his electorate to see. If, on the other hand, the Senators were directly responsible to the state legislatures, they would have a greater vested interest in keeping tax dollars from ever leaving their state in the first place.


13 posted on 10/20/2007 4:36:21 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

bump


14 posted on 10/20/2007 4:51:10 PM PDT by bill1952 ("all that we do is done with an eye towards something else." - Aristotle)
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15 posted on 10/20/2007 4:57:56 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time" LINCOLN)
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To: genxer
There needs to be a grass roots to repeal this

and it should be.

We have tens of thousands of brave troops who have volunteered, putting their lives on the line, to help secure our freedoms.

Are we brave enough to give them back up?

Remember, we get the kind of gov't we deserve. Too many people today, even Republicans, think the gov't should do everything - NO.

WE are the government - we tell THEM what to do and what to knock off doing

16 posted on 10/20/2007 5:02:20 PM PDT by maine-iac7 ("...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time" LINCOLN)
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What???? The PEOPLE ACTUALLY BE GIVEN A SAY IN GOVERNMENT???? Surely you jest!!! Surely!!! In a totalitarian form of government which our beloved Marxist’s Dimocrats of the People’s Socialist Abortion Homo-Fag Party are forming, the people don’t get no freaking say!! The Commissars and Queen Hildabitch have all the say. We are mere sheep and know nothing. We cannot read, write, or do crap. We are stupid, led by those of higher IQs than we. We certainly do not deserve to have a say in our own government. We were MEANT to be ruled by the Marxists./mild sarcasm still running hot


17 posted on 10/20/2007 5:05:55 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (The Marxists Dimocrats hate the military and hate free America. They want a commie empire.)
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"It also results in a failure in the federalist structure, federal deficit spending, inappropriate federal mandates, and the evaporation of state influence over national policy."

I've never heard it said, but the 17th Amendment also denies the right of the people to have a Republican form of government (As defined by the Constitution at the time of ratification).

Surprise, Surprise! The great and noble experiment failed on the day the 17th was ratified. But that is not really true, for the Supreme Law of the Land cannot be diminished, even by ratification of an amendment.

The Amendment is repugnant to the Constitution. Not in pursuance to the Constitution/Bill of Rights. Why are we still allowing senators to be elected by popular vote? Why has no one filed a suit against the government charging deprivation of rights?

18 posted on 10/20/2007 6:02:22 PM PDT by Eastbound
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Think of it as an incentive to pay just as much attention to the State elections as the Federal. Most people don’t even know who their State representatives are, let alone what their politics are.


19 posted on 10/20/2007 6:14:46 PM PDT by Mountain Troll
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How many times have I made this request on this board? Maybe a billion? Ok, I might have exaggerated a little.

Oh, and let's not forget the 16th amendment either. That amendment has come close to putting us into slavery.

As I put these electrons in order on this page, the Founding Fathers are spinning in their graves.

Thomas Jefferson was right in the time frame he suggested. [And no, I won't explain that last sentence to those of you in Rio Linda or PBC]

5.56mm

20 posted on 10/20/2007 6:24:58 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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