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Beware The Folksy Fred Factor
The San Francisco Bay Times ^ | November 1, 2007 | Chris Crain

Posted on 11/01/2007 1:27:25 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

That Southern charm may soften the appearance of the actor-senator’s hardened conservative views.

Last month brough the moment in the presidential campaign I’d been dreading. The popular conservative from my home state, fellow Tennessean Fred Thompson, entered the Republican primary.

The pundits and “insiders” have dismissed the actor and former senator even before he declared his candidacy on late-night TV. Some claim he’s a Hollywood lightweight, but I’ve heard that before (Ronald Reagan). Some dismiss him as a Southern simpleton, but I’ve heard that before (George W. Bush). And I’ve even heard some claim he has a wealth of sexual skeletons in his closet, but we’ve all heard that before (Bill Clinton).

I have worried so long about Fred Thompson’s candidacy because he comes off as an authentic Southerner, despite the late-career acting gigs. And that folksy accent, combined with a consistently conservative voting record, is a potent combination.

Thompson is no simpleton either. He was a respected (even feared) Nashville lawyer before he became famous, as I discovered 20 years ago as a cub reporter, when he testily dismissed my attempt at an interview after a court hearing that had gone poorly for him.

He showed off those smarts and his homespun charm in his first week of campaigning, when he carefully threaded the needle on social issues, including the minefield of abortion and gay marriage.

Don’t underestimate the power of that “aww shucks” charm. Americans have proven themselves particularly prone to seduction by it, from Jimmy Carter to Clinton to the current White House occupant. The accent is so potent because it alone can settle the nerves of many Southerners, Midwesterners and social conservatives generally that the candidate is, at some level, “one of them.”

He knows how to thread the needle on gay issues, too. On an early campaign stop in Sioux City, Iowa, a gray-haired gentleman said, “My question is what society’s position should be on deviancy, including homosexuality?”

Thompson didn’t miss a beat, giving conservatives the right positions without off-putting moderates.

“I’m not going to pass judgment on several million of my fellow citizens. Anybody that knows me knows how I feel about the importance of a family … of traditional marriage,” he said. “It’s the thing I want for my children. But it goes back to the unity we were talking about. As president of the United States one should not go out of their way to castigate or pass judgment publicly on a large segment of people.”

In truth, a President Thompson would be an unmitigated disaster on gay issues. He’s on record as opposed to even basic protections like employment non-discrimination and hate crime laws. He did refuse to vote for a marriage amendment to the U.S. Constitution on federalist grounds, but he showed off those Matlock-like lawyerly wiles this week with an alternative proposal that is even scarier because it’s more likely to be adopted.

Thompson has proposed an alternative amendment, constitutionalizing the part of the Defense of Marriage Act that allows one state to refuse legal recognition of marriage licenses issued by another state to same-sex couples.

For good measure, his proposal would also prohibit the courts from requiring a state to marry gay couples until a law to that effect has been passed by the state legislature. As if there were any doubt, Thompson made clear to a “reporter” from Pat Robertson’s Christian Broadcasting Network that his real aim was to make it as unlikely as possible for gay marriage to be permitted anywhere without violating the principle that the issue is one for the states to decide.

“The other approach has been tried in Congress,” Thompson reminded CBN viewers. “Let’s fashion something that will cure the problem, that will stop the problem in its tracks while still saying if some state wants to come along through their legislature and do something different, let them answer to their own people. And I got a feeling they won’t be in the legislature that much longer.”

In case you didn’t catch that, we’re “the problem” in that scenario.

Thompson ignores the evidence on the politics of gay marriage. Pro-marriage legislators in Massachusetts have done much better at the polls than opponents. He’s flat wrong that no legislature has enacted gay marriage legislation, since California has twice. But the measure was vetoed the first time and likely will again by Governor Schwarzenegger.

In New York the situation is reversed, as Gov. Elliott Spitzer is pro-marriage and even got the measure through half the legislature in June. In New Jersey, Gov. Jon Corzine said this week marriage is almost inevitable, albeit after the ‘08 elections. In the District of Columbia, the mayor and a majority of the city council are already on record favoring gay marriage, but have been given temporary political cover for dodging the issue by a terrified old-school gay activist group.

The point is that gay marriage is inevitable in other states, whether by popular means or by legal challenge, including prominent suits pending in Iowa, Maryland and California. If Fred Thompson can “aww shucks” his way to the White House and gets his constitutionalized DOMA, we’ll be saddled for a generation with a patchwork of states where gays can marry, and then lose all legal protection when they cross the wrong state lines.


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To: 2ndDivisionVet
He’s flat wrong that no legislature has enacted gay marriage legislation, since California has twice. But the measure was vetoed the first time and likely will again by Governor Schwarzenegger.

Enacted means passed by the legislature and made into law. What part of the veto process killing a bill (not yet a law) does the author not understand?

21 posted on 11/01/2007 2:22:47 PM PDT by Ingtar (The LDS problem that Romney is facing is not his religion, but his Lacking Decisive Stands.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
hehehe...This is a REAL ENDORSEMENT (her most loyal "swishy" parners)!....($hrillarys' Media Lackeys/Shills/Bootlickers, Are startin' takin' notice. :)
22 posted on 11/01/2007 2:25:29 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (just b/c your paranoid, doesn't mean they're NOT out to get you....Run, Fred, Run. :^)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“The other approach has been tried in Congress,” Thompson reminded CBN viewers. “Let’s fashion something that will cure the problem, that will stop the problem in its tracks while still saying if some state wants to come along through their legislature and do something different, let them answer to their own people. And I got a feeling they won’t be in the legislature that much longer.”

"Stack 'em, pack 'em, rack'em" ('Folksy' Fred as Trudeau in Die Hard 2...)

23 posted on 11/01/2007 2:26:57 PM PDT by LRS (It's time to put Hillary on the 3:10 to Yuma...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
And I’ve even heard some claim he has a wealth of sexual skeletons in his closet...

A sexual skeleton — now that's something to see. Meanwhile, here's a lefty Demoncrat skeleton:


24 posted on 11/01/2007 2:27:42 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (America: “the most benign hegemon in history.”—Mark Steyn)
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To: FlashBack

I sent another donation to Fred three days ago. Just heard Fred on Sean’s show, and he was great! GO FRED!


25 posted on 11/01/2007 2:27:59 PM PDT by seekthetruth
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Looks like Fred and Ron Paul are running the same campaign. No traction in either camp.


26 posted on 11/01/2007 2:28:31 PM PDT by catiwompus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The point is that gay marriage is inevitable in other states, whether by popular means or by legal challenge, including prominent suits pending in Iowa, Maryland and California.

This writer is behind the times on claiming a pending suit in Maryland, which months ago threw the decision out of the court and back to the legislature, as Fred would have recommended. Wonder how many other issues this writer's "behind" on?

27 posted on 11/01/2007 2:31:09 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (America: “the most benign hegemon in history.”—Mark Steyn)
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To: catiwompus

Just heard “Folksy Fred” on Sean’s show and he sure has traction that the MSM is afraid of! First and second in many places if you believe the polls. Guess you missed hearing him. I do hope that when he wins the nomination that you will consider voting for him over Hillary.


28 posted on 11/01/2007 2:33:29 PM PDT by seekthetruth
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Heard him interviewed once. He didn’t pick up on the questions unless they were the specific issues has has scripted out. Seemed out of touch, old. The quickest one, and with the strongest street-smarts is, sad to say, Giuliani. Just an impression.


29 posted on 11/01/2007 2:34:22 PM PDT by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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To: catiwompus
"Looks like Fred and Ron Paul are running the same campaign. No traction in either camp."

And yet Fred is second or first in almost all state polls and 2nd in Rasmussen's' poll.

Wow not much traction there <\SARCASM!>

Nice try at the disinformation though!
30 posted on 11/01/2007 2:47:57 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: nuke rocketeer

Another badge of honor for Fred to wear.


31 posted on 11/01/2007 2:55:45 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Fight the illegal Mexican colonizers & imperialist conquistadors! Long live the resistance!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Beware The Folksy Fred Factor"

Ha! Give me the 'folksy factor' over the panty wearin' 'frisco factor' every time.
32 posted on 11/01/2007 3:22:59 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: SaxxonWoods

LOL!!


33 posted on 11/01/2007 3:23:23 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Global warming is to Revelations as the theory of evolution is to Genesis.)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative
"Thompson's alternative is quite consistent with federalism."

I disagree. To allow states to not recognize marriages performed in other states is contrary to the "full faith and credit" clause, by which states must recognize the legitimate legislative rulings of other states.
34 posted on 11/01/2007 3:32:25 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: jellybean; Politicalmom; girlangler; KoRn; Shortstop7; Lunatic Fringe; Darnright; babygene; ...
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35 posted on 11/01/2007 3:34:15 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Of the potential GOP front runners, FT has one of the better records on immigration.- NumbersUSA)
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To: trisham

So glad I saw the pics! Now, that’s what we need in the WH in 2008!


36 posted on 11/01/2007 3:34:20 PM PDT by LucyJo
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To: LucyJo
:)I think he looks just like Fred:


37 posted on 11/01/2007 3:36:50 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

Oh, my goodness! How adorable! Yep, he does favor daddy! : )


38 posted on 11/01/2007 3:42:43 PM PDT by LucyJo
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Thompson ignores the evidence on the politics of gay marriage. Pro-marriage legislators in Massachusetts have done much better at the polls than opponents. He’s flat wrong that no legislature has enacted gay marriage legislation, since California has twice. But the measure was vetoed the first time and likely will again by Governor Schwarzenegger.

So now "pro-marriage" means "supports gay marriage"?

Remember you saw it here first (or at least I did).

39 posted on 11/01/2007 3:43:13 PM PDT by x
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"In truth, a President Thompson would be an unmitigated disaster on gay issues."

A truly admirable characteristic in a candidate if you are positive the candidate is candid. Celebrities sometimes get so vain and full of themselves that they lose that candid candidate characteristic. The smile a lot, but hate the truly candid camera!!!

40 posted on 11/01/2007 3:58:51 PM PDT by SierraWasp (If Dems had brains they'd be Repubs. And when they learned to use 'em, they'd be CONSERVATIVES!!!)
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