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URGENT: Iraq Veterans Against The War To Smear Military as Babykillers (Winter Soldier II)
Winter Soldier page at IVAW.org ^ | 2/15/07

Posted on 11/15/2007 7:06:55 PM PST by Doctor Raoul

As I said at the GOE rally, the Iraq Veterans Against The War are out to smear this generation of military as "babykillers" the way their mentors the Vietnam Veterans Against the War did during the Vietnam era.

But I never expected that they'd give away their intent by calling it "Winter Soldier" just like their mentors.

Winter Soldier was a series of 109 interviews that were turned into a book and film. According to B.G. Burkett's investigation of Winter Soldier in his book Stolen Valor, many were phony soldiers that never served, others like VVAW leader Al Hubbard served but not in Vietnam, John Kerry served in Vietnam but not in Cambodia during Christmas under orders from Nixon as claimed and others served in Vietnam but had their stories refuted by others.

The Iraq Veterans Against the War ARE the NeoJohns, the Kerry Wannabes and they were mentored by the Vietnam Veterans Against the War, in particular VVAW leaders David Cline and Bill Perry.

There's the direct links to their the web pages at the bottom of this excerpt:

In 1971, over one hundred members of Vietnam Veterans Against the War
gathered in Detroit to share their stories with America. Atrocities
like the My Lai massacre had ignited popular opposition to the war,
but political and military leaders insisted that such crimes were
isolated exceptions. The members of VVAW knew differently.

Over three days in January, these soldiers testified on the systematic
brutality they had seen visited upon the people of Vietnam. They
called it the Winter Soldier investigation, after Thomas Paine's
famous admonishing of the "summer soldier" who shirks his duty
during difficult times. In a time of war and lies, the veterans who
gathered in Detroit knew it was their duty to tell the truth.


Over thirty years later, we find ourselves faced with a new war. But
the lies are the same. Once again, American troops are sinking into
increasingly bloody occupations. Once again, war crimes in places
like Haditha, Fallujah, and Abu Ghraib have turned the public
against the war. Once again, politicians and generals are blaming
"a few bad apples" instead of examining the military policies that
have destroyed Iraq and Afghanistan.

Once again, our country needs Winter Soldiers.

In March of 2008, Iraq Veterans Against the War will gather in our
nation's capital to break the silence and hold our leaders
accountable for these wars. We hope you'll join us, because yours
is a story that every American needs to hear.

Click here to sign a statement of support for Winter Soldier: Iraq & Afghanistan

We Support the Troops Who Oppose the War

In 1969, the My Lai massacre helped fuel popular opposition to the
Vietnam War. U.S. political and military leaders insisted that such
crimes were isolated exceptions. Members of Vietnam Veterans
Against the War knew differently.

In January of 1971, over one hundred Vietnam Veterans gathered in
Detroit to testify their experiences to America. Their testimony,
called the Winter Soldier Investigation, revealed that atrocities
were systemic and responsibility laid at the highest levels of
government.

The U.S. Government lied to get us into war and continues to conceal
the true nature of military occupation.

On the weekend of 13-15 March, 2008, Iraq Veterans Against the War will
assemble history's largest gathering of US veterans of Iraq and
Afghanistan, as well as Iraqi and Afghan survivors. They will
provide first hand accounts of their experiences and reveal the
truth of occupation.

We support Iraq Veterans Against the War and their Winter Soldier: Iraq
& Afghanistan Investigation. Join us in supporting the effort to
reveal truth in the way that only those who lived it can.

Winter Soldier

Sign the Statement of Support

Submit testimony or evidence

How to help


Download and save the Winter Soldier Questionnaire and the Winter Soldier Evidence form PDF files.

Contact every veteran you know, especially Vietnam vets, and help put a stop to their plans to smear this generation by exposing IVAW as the VVAW's Junior Varsity.

Don't let the Vietnam Veterans Against the War call TWO generations of vets "babykillers".


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: babykillers; communists; ivaw; phonysoldiers; vvaw; wintersoldiers
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To: Interesting Times
Sorry, corrected link is here.
21 posted on 11/15/2007 8:01:51 PM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Doctor Raoul; 4woodenboats; American Cabalist; AmericanYankee; AndrewWalden; Antoninus; ...

This hideous event will likely coincide with the court martial of LCpl Stephen Tatum for the incident in Haditha.

These morons own the Haditha "massacre" lock, stock, and barrel and will never admit that it never took place--no matter how much evidence comes out or how many Marines are exonerated.

22 posted on 11/15/2007 8:01:55 PM PST by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: Doctor Raoul

DD214’s up.


23 posted on 11/15/2007 8:05:52 PM PST by onedoug
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To: jazusamo; Doctor Raoul
Jaz, can you get this out to the Murtha ping list? I'm sure most of them would want to help out.
24 posted on 11/15/2007 8:07:21 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: Doctor Raoul
I wonder how many phony soldiers are going to attend this.
Jesse MacBeth will probably the second speaker after John Kerry.
From one Doc to another, I was spat upon at LAX back in the late 60’s. How about you?
25 posted on 11/15/2007 8:13:48 PM PST by Doc91678 (Doc91678)
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To: SandRat; sono; RasterMaster; Clint N. Suhks; cibco; tiredoflaundry; holdonnow; MarkLevinFan; ...

ping

Send to your lists.


26 posted on 11/15/2007 8:14:49 PM PST by AliVeritas (Pray for the souls of the faithful departed.)
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To: Doctor Raoul

save


27 posted on 11/15/2007 8:19:53 PM PST by Eagles6
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To: Doctor Raoul

AH...Baby killers. I kinda miss those days.


28 posted on 11/15/2007 8:20:58 PM PST by chesty_puller (70-73 USMC VietNam 75-79 US Army Wash DC....VietNam was safer.)
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To: AliVeritas

29 posted on 11/15/2007 8:32:15 PM PST by txhurl (Yes there were WMDs)
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To: Doctor Raoul; 2LT Radix jr; 80 Square Miles; acad1228; AirForceMom; Alas Babylon!; AliVeritas; ...

Ping.


30 posted on 11/15/2007 8:39:16 PM PST by StarCMC (http://cannoneerno4.wordpress.com; http://starcmc.wordpress.com/ - The Enemedia is inside the gates.)
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To: Doctor Raoul
The fools within.

The irony is that leftists of all stripes are the real "babykillers." After all, they have been killing American babies since 1973.

31 posted on 11/15/2007 8:42:01 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Sic Semper Tyrannis * U.Va. Engineering * Go Hoos! * Fred Thompson 2008)
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To: chesty_puller

Can we expect them to protest the Baby Killers at Planned Parenthood too?


32 posted on 11/15/2007 8:48:53 PM PST by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: SE Mom; NordP; LUV W; rodguy911; maica; maggief; MEG33; Dog; holdonnow; silent_jonny; MJY1288; ...

God save us ~~PING!


33 posted on 11/15/2007 8:55:00 PM PST by STARWISE (They (Dims) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: Politicalmom; SandRat; chesty_puller; papasmurf; river rat; Squantos; patton; Travis McGee; ...

Ping!


34 posted on 11/15/2007 9:06:16 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Your "dirt" on Fred is about as persuasive as a Nancy Pelosi Veteran's Day Speech)
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To: Doctor Raoul

This could be fun. We can turn it against Kerry et al., plus the phonies from today!


35 posted on 11/15/2007 9:09:02 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (No buy China!!)
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To: StarCMC; STARWISE

Thanks for the pings.

We all know it’s completely up to us as patriots to refute
these horrible lies! The internet can do what the Has-been
media won’t!

That tool wasn’t available during VietNam, unfortunately, or
the outcome would have been much, much different!


36 posted on 11/15/2007 9:19:01 PM PST by luvie (Friendship is neither a contest nor a race. What matters is the feeling involved. <3)
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To: LUV W; Cannoneer No. 4

You’re right, Luv. The info-war is raging, and we cannot sit back and ignore it.


37 posted on 11/15/2007 9:24:10 PM PST by StarCMC (http://cannoneerno4.wordpress.com; http://starcmc.wordpress.com/ - The Enemedia is inside the gates.)
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To: RedRover

This is despicable. Yet I am not surprised. The enemy lives among us and sneers at our love of God and country.

It makes me sick.


38 posted on 11/15/2007 9:27:43 PM PST by Shelayne (...)
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To: Doctor Raoul; smoothsailing; abigailsmybaby; Badeye; bmwcyle; brityank; desherwood7; FairOpinion; ..
Thanks for the ping, smoothsailing!

Murtha Watch Ping!

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Code Pinkos

To be added to the Murtha Watch ping list please notify myself or RedRover.

39 posted on 11/15/2007 9:34:17 PM PST by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: StarCMC

Bump


40 posted on 11/15/2007 9:40:33 PM PST by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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