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Fog of War (TNR admits Beauchamp lied -- my title)
The New Republic ^ | 12/10/2007 | Franklin Foer

Posted on 12/01/2007 1:49:32 PM PST by Talking_Mouse

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To: Theresawithanh

He can follow Hemmingway’s choice of exit if the Party so directs him. The Democrats must save face somehow.


21 posted on 12/01/2007 2:53:39 PM PST by weegee (End the Bush-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton-Clinton/Clinton-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton Oligarchy 1980-2012)
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To: Talking_Mouse
He was a young soldier in a war zone, an untried writer without journalistic training.

He wasn't taught the proper way to fabricate a story but he certainly fooled TNR. Just goes to show you... You can fool some of the people (editors with an agenda) all of the time...

22 posted on 12/01/2007 2:54:01 PM PST by eggman (Democrat party - The black hole of liberalism from which no rational thought can escape.)
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To: Talking_Mouse

Read all 14 pages. If the editors at tnr had put as much into checking out beauchamp initially as they did in describing how they were apparently duped they would not have gotten into this “journalistic” bind.


23 posted on 12/01/2007 2:55:31 PM PST by RobinOfKingston (Man, that's stupid...even by congressional standards.)
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To: Talking_Mouse
Good news is that the Vietnam Veterans Against the War just gave Beauchamp a Life Achievement Award and afree membership.
24 posted on 12/01/2007 3:04:00 PM PST by Doctor Raoul (Columbia = Ayatollah U.)
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To: Talking_Mouse
The Fog of One's Delusional Madness AKA The National Review, "The Fog of War"
For months, our magazine has been subject to accusations that stories we published by an American soldier then serving in Iraq were fabricated. When these accusations first arose, we promised our readers a full account of our investigation. We spent the last four-and-a-half months re-reporting his stories. These are our findings.

When Michael Goldfarb, a blogger for The Weekly Standard, left me a message on a Tuesday afternoon in mid-July, I didn't know him or his byline. And I certainly didn't anticipate that his message would become the starting point for a controversy.

... [ Lenghtly "findings" follow. If you go to the article, follow this instructions: Click on page "10", then click "Next Page", that will then show pages 11, 12 ,13, 14. Advise all not to bother reading this haematemesis! ] ...

In retrospect, we never should have put Beauchamp in this situation. He was a young soldier in a war zone, an untried writer without journalistic training. We published his accounts of sensitive events while granting him the shield of anonymity--which, in the wrong hands, can become license to exaggerate, if not fabricate.

When I last spoke with Beauchamp in early November, he continued to stand by his stories. Unfortunately, the standards of this magazine require more than that. And, in light of the evidence available to us, after months of intensive re-reporting, we cannot be confident that the events in his pieces occurred in exactly the manner that he described them. Without that essential confidence, we cannot stand by these stories.

Pointed comment: Notice the confusion of "I/We".
25 posted on 12/01/2007 3:07:42 PM PST by bvw
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To: JennysCool
"Unfortunately, the standards of this magazine require more than that."

ROFLMHO. He should have said "unfortunately the (lack of) standards at this magazine require that we all roll in dog crap, eat the stuff, and regurgitate it to the public weekly. What a weak, snivelling, cowardly non-retraction retraction. After the Stephen Glass affair and now Beauchump-gate, no one at TNR should ever be allowed to work in journalism again.
26 posted on 12/01/2007 3:08:52 PM PST by Enchante (Democrat terror-fighting motto: "BLEAT - CHEAT - RETREAT - DEFEAT - REPEAT")
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To: Talking_Mouse
Hey guys..... He LIED..
Why in hell can’t you simply admit he LIED and you enabled him to LIE because it played into YOUR AGENDA...

It’s as simple as that...

You and your fellow self loathing ignorant Leftist sonsuvbitches will do ANYTHING to cast a bad light on our the warriors fighting to provide you with the opportunity to LIE....

Your rag is a leftist America hating Islamist ass kissing rag, and your “apology” is NOT accepted...

One day — a reckoning will come due...
You will rue that day...

27 posted on 12/01/2007 3:14:29 PM PST by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: Doctor Raoul; 1stbn27; 2111USMC; 2nd Bn, 11th Mar; 68 grunt; A.A. Cunningham; ASOC; ...

Bump and a Ping


28 posted on 12/01/2007 3:21:10 PM PST by freema
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To: river rat

14 pages of liberal drooling and puling to finally arrive at the most half-assed wimpy pseudo-retraction ever uttered. This is pitiful even for the low standards of liberal media.


29 posted on 12/01/2007 3:23:57 PM PST by Enchante (Democrat terror-fighting motto: "BLEAT - CHEAT - RETREAT - DEFEAT - REPEAT")
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To: Talking_Mouse

now unring that bell


30 posted on 12/01/2007 3:26:14 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Fred Dalton Thompson for President)
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To: Talking_Mouse
Snatched form Michelle Malkin:


Neeever mind!

31 posted on 12/01/2007 3:35:18 PM PST by SouthTexas
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To: chopperman
Why would someone need journalistic training to just tell the truth?....

Perhaps these days the journalistic training is aimed more at not getting caught in lies.

32 posted on 12/01/2007 3:45:52 PM PST by Old North State
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To: Talking_Mouse

This retraction is as full of deliberate lies and obfuscations as Beauchamp’s original report.

OK, New Republic. There was a while there when it looked as if you were trying to put some distance between yourselves and The Nation on the war. Time to retract this retraction and admit that you were so eager to undermine the troops that you never did even the most elementary fact checking.


33 posted on 12/01/2007 3:58:05 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Talking_Mouse
Wow, I just read through 14 pages for what should have been only a paragraph, the very last one, naturally:
When I last spoke with Beauchamp in early November, he continued to stand by his stories. Unfortunately, the standards of this magazine require more than that. And, in light of the evidence available to us, after months of intensive re-reporting, we cannot be confident that the events in his pieces occurred in exactly the manner that he described them. Without that essential confidence, we cannot stand by these stories.
The whole ordeal is a big "so what?"
While the details of the stories were exaggerated and misplaced, what it tells us in the end is that Beauchamp and some of his buddies were immature and heartless from the very start, and their service didn't change that for better or for worse. It's just who they are. I could see some guys like them finding some bone fragments and wearing them on their heads and thinking it's funny. And I could see dogs running under Bradleys just like they do cars, and the driver taking credit for it. Their callousness and lack of discipline certainly does not reflect the image the military wants to project of the character of our soldiers, and is yet another embarrassment, just like the conduct of the night shift at Abu Ghraib. What Beauchamp didn't seem to understand - or perhaps care about - when reporting his juvenile misconduct to TNR, was that it reflects poorly on all of the men and women that are serving, the institution he serves, and his country in the eyes of the world. Just as the Democrats did not care about the damage they were inflicting when they gleefully leaked the photos from the investigation the military was investigating and prosecuting at Abu Ghraib.
34 posted on 12/01/2007 4:01:42 PM PST by counterpunch (Hillary'08 :: At Least She's Not Rudy!)
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To: Talking_Mouse
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and the RATS, take another one in the...............HA ha!!!

35 posted on 12/01/2007 4:20:30 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist)
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What a waste of ink! No rational, fair-minded person believed these tall tales anyway. They were clearly fabrications of a fevered left-wing imagination.
36 posted on 12/01/2007 4:21:53 PM PST by Godwin1
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To: freema

They can go and stick it where the sun don’t shine.


37 posted on 12/01/2007 4:30:36 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Duncan Hunter for POTUS)
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To: counterpunch
While the details of the stories were exaggerated and misplaced, what it tells us in the end is that Beauchamp and some of his buddies were immature and heartless from the very start...

I don't think Beauchamp's stories tell us anything about his buddies since all that is known for sure is that Beauchamp is a liar. I believe it was TNR's intention to slander Beauchamp's fellow soldiers and I am sorry that you seem to have fallen for their propaganda. Those who serve with Beauchamp deserve better from you.

38 posted on 12/01/2007 4:52:26 PM PST by rogue yam
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To: JennysCool

It’s not a retraction and wasn’t intended as such rather it’s an attempt by Mr Foer to keep his job and keep the magazine afloat. I did notice that he named a lot of participants

“There was the time that Jibson wore the top of a human skull as a hat during a mission. All of Short’s dog hunting stories (I think he’s up to 17 kills). The time we hid a pink dildo in a very conservative Christian kids gear before an inspection (don’t ask how we got a pink dildo in Iraq).”

There are about 3 more named throughout the article. Seems like most of them would be worth talking to. Were they even there?


39 posted on 12/01/2007 4:55:26 PM PST by airedale ( XZ)
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To: Talking_Mouse

Well, Well, Well . . . it turns out that TNR’s politics are just a little bit too artful. Who knew?


40 posted on 12/01/2007 4:56:17 PM PST by YHAOS
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