Posted on 08/05/2008 12:38:26 PM PDT by Shermy
Jean Duley testified that she was "scared to death" of Bruce Ivins after he left her a string of harassing phone messages, according to an audio recording taken during a July 24 peace order hearing.
Duley, 45, told Judge Milnor Roberts that Ivins planned to "go out in a blaze of glory," had bought a bulletproof vest and a gun and planned to kill his co-workers.
The audio recording was obtained by The Frederick News-Post on Monday.
Duley told the court she got to know Ivins while running group and individual counseling sessions at the Comprehensive Counseling Associates in Frederick where she worked as the program director.
When questioned by her attorney Mary McGuirk Drawbaugh, Duley said she knew him for at least the past six months and told the court she saw him once a week.
Drawbaugh: "And during the course of your involvement with him, professionally, did he ever make any threats that were what you would consider to be homicidal in nature?"
Duley: "Yes."
Drawbaugh: "OK. And did he make any threats that you would consider to be threatening to your personal safety during the course of those six months?"
Duley: "Yes. I do."
During a July 9 group [witenesses?] session, Duley described Ivins as "extremely agitated" and "out of control." When she asked him what was going on, he told the group "a very long and detailed homicidal plan" including killing his co-workers and roaming the streets of Frederick trying to pick a fight with somebody so that he could stab the person.
Since he was "about to be indicted on capital murder charges he was going to go out in a blaze of glory that he was going to take everybody out with him. ... That they weren't going to take him out without a fight," she told the court.
Duley was concerned because she said she knew him so well, so she tried to get as many details about the attacks as possible. The next day, July 10, she called the Frederick Police Department who removed him from USAMRIID at Fort Detrick and had him committed to Frederick Memorial Hospital.
On July 11, he called her twice just before 4:30 a.m. She told the court the first message was just "sort of a ranting, blaming me for having this done to him. It was sort of just rambling." In the second message Ivins told her "obviously we no longer have a therapeutic relationship and how could I do this to him." [smart guy]
After he was transferred to Sheppard Pratt Health System, a psychiatric hospital in Baltimore, he called her again at 11:25 a.m. July 12.
"That one was rather scary," Duley said in the recording. "He very calmly thanked me for ruining his life and opening ... allowing the FBI to now be able to prosecute him for the murders and that it was all my fault. And "it's going to be my fault that they can now get him."
Drawbaugh did not enter the telephone recordings into evidence for the court because FBI agents had taken them for their investigation.
Ivins was supposed to have a permanent commitment hearing at Sheppard Pratt, but Duley said his attorney advised him to check himself in voluntarily so that he may leave when he wished. Drawbaugh told the court he probably was being released from the hospital as the hearing was going on. --
She decided to get the peace order after an FBI agent working the case suggested it.
Drawbaugh: "At this time, Ms. Duley, are you fearful for your personal safety?"
Duley: "I am and so is the FBI."
Drawbaugh: "OK. And can you tell the court why it is based on what you have testified to during the course of since July 9 that you are fearful of your safety?"
Duley: "As far back as the year 2000, the respondent has actually attempted to murder several other people either through poisoning. He is a revenge killer. When he feels he that he has been slighted or has had ... especially towards women ... he plots and actually tries to carry out revenge killing. He has been forensically diagnosed by several top psychiatrists as a sociopathic homicidal killer."
Roberts granted the temporary peace order and set a hearing for a final peace order Thursday -- a day before Duley was set to testify against Ivins before a federal grand jury.
The court ordered Ivins not to abuse or contact Duley or go to her home or job. The order was dismissed Thursday after Ivins' apparent suicide.
Drawbaugh: "Is there anything further that you think Judge Roberts needs to know with regards to the situation before he makes his decision?"
Duley: "I'm scared to death."
See article to right, Bruce Ivins was a Democrat
Also it appears he is right-handed. I'm no expert by any means, but the way the printing slants on that one envelope we've seen so much, it possibly could have been a left-handed person who wrote it, may mean nothing at all.
My gosh I missed that one about 6245. You beat me to it. I spent a lot of time on another post then decided the better of hitting post, so I’ve some catching up to do now on this thread.
bttt!
bump
Before he slipped into his current state of dementia, Vincent Bugliosi provided one of the best analogies for circumstantial evidence in his book, "Outrage" which discussed the Simpson case. Bugliosi wrote that the Simpson defense painted all the circumstantial evidence as a chain, and once one link was broken the entire chain would give way and fail. Bugliosi stated that it should be more properly viewed as a rope with numerous strands. One individual strand may be broken, but depending on the strength and number of other strands, may make little to no difference at all.
It's more scary that we have people in the FBI who are just plain evil.
A few years ago the FBI was found to be protecting Mafia murderers. They allowed people to be sent away to prison for decades knowing full well they were innocent and that their informants in the Mafia were the true murderers.
I'd say. No mention of his psychotic hatred of the National Enquirer. < /sarc> Ed Lake says the maker of the Anthrax and the sender were not the same person. ...so....
I'm beginning to think that if there is even a shred of truth to this tale, Ivins might have been employed by a foreign government and/or taken out by whomever is killing all the other microbiologists.
Dead Microbiologists (google)
Left-handed writer’s writing slants upward, unlike the writing on the anthrax letters. That is, if it slants at all.
A possible explanation is that I don't write like so many other left-handed people I see because my teacher taught me to turn my paper the opposite of what right-handers are taught, so I never wrote with my hand curved which looks awkward.
Maybe a better question might have been, "Why does the printing slant?" I don't know if there is any significance to it or not or whether it was done on purpose or not. Probably none whatsoever compared to the rest of it.
I've been reading more on it this am, fear we'll never know for sure like so much else.
I think the slanting, because it was far too exaggerated, was either because the perp had a kid do it or was due to the writer trying to write in a way totallly opposite of their own natural style.
Just heard on the news they think they are sure this guy, Nass’s friend, is the “only” perp. Can’t wait to hear how they came to that conclusion- there were sure an awful lot of people doing their absolute darndest to nail Hatfill, including Nass’s other friends.
Thanks for the update, but now I don't know. The horrible thought occurred to me what if the real truth was something that wouldn't go down well with conservatives? And we may never find out for sure.
A kid could have done it, but kids talk sometimes, but I'm open to it either way, wouldn't matter so long as they nailed the right one. Ivins' adopted children were grown.
I can't follow issues when they get really complicated, but way back, I noticed that there were two websites that had all the Cong addresses set up in a table where addresses were truncated and blocked, left aligned with the remainder on the following line. The envelopes matched that "style" almost exactly. I posted a link at the time, but think archives don't go that far back.
Even if I don't agree with their agenda, liberals are questioning things, too. I am not real hopeful Congress can get at the real truth or not.
In Dec 2006 congress sent a letter to the FBI wanting information on the case and the FBI flipped them the bird. Supposedly Mueller was involved in this as well...
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