And None Dare Call It Treason - RE: McCain's foreign policy adviser

Human Events.com ^ | 8/22/08 | PAT BUCHANAN

[mnehring]

I see old Paddy is investing in tin futures again. He's got everything in this one. Georgia, some Jewish guys, Iraq, NeoCons. Man.. all he needs are the buildacheeseburgers, Masons, and trilateral commission and we would have a full house.

[MNJohnnie]

Source to see copies of these documents Pat claims exist?

[DrGunsforHands]

Does this article have any basis in reality, or is it just a McCain hit-piece?

[mnehring]

You can't see them until you are a 69th degree stonecutter. It is all part of the Irish/Whiskey conspiracy.

[mnehring]

Look at the author.. that should explain everything..

[DrGunsforHands]

Ok, I missed that it was by Pat Buchanan. That pretty much answers my question.

[Jim Robinson]

President Bush, saving your ass whether you like it or not.

[tet68]

Pat, Pat, Pat!
There’s no such thing as peace, only R&R.

[mnehring]

At least by his own title, he is revealing that he knows he is fading into the historical obscurity of Gary Allen; as his predictions of conspiracy failed to come to pass, his books and writings where pushed further and further back on the shelves until they just fell into a dusty old corner.

[dragnet2]

Not sure specificially which documents you’re referring to?

[dirtboy]

Dear Mr. Buchanan:

I strongly suggest you buy a map of Asia. Or at least call one up on Google if you happen to know how to use the Internet. Now, check out the location of Afghanistan. And note how Georgia is a narrow avenue to Central Asia between Russia and Iran. And that Georgia provides us the means to both fly planes from Europe to Afghanistan and to allow Caspian oil to bypass Russia and Iran. And now tell us how Georgia is NOT a vital US national security interest.

Oops, never mind. You probably would LIKE more oil revenues to flow to your fascist soul brothers in both countries, and for us to be hamstrung in Afghanistan. And you're probably mad that we have bases in Europe because it means we beat Hitler's ass in WWII. A war YOU thought wasn't worth fighting.

So Pat, tell us again why we should give a rat's arse about your opinion whether a war is worth fighting or not.

[ckilmer]

I don’t know why this crowd no matter the message—automatically imputes treachery to Buchanan. For instance, the Israelis stopped sending arms and support to the Georgians as soon as the Russian conflict heated up. Does that make Israel sellouts, treasonous, turncoats to America and its interests?

I would be willing to bet that many on this board who now condemn Buchanan for being unwilling to support the Georgians would not be so happy to condemn Israel for doing the same thing.

For that matter I would be willing to bet that most on this board could not even find South Ossetia on the map before this conflict heated up.

[marron]

Russia's control of South Ossetia and Abkhazia and occupation of a strip of Georgia cannot be a casus belli for the United States.

It isn't.

On the other hand, if Georgia were already a member state, Russia wouldn't have been so ready to allow artillery harrassment of Georgians. Georgia wouldn't have been so ready to launch an intervention they would need NATO backing for.

More likely, none of this would have happened.

The current demarkation would have simply become the border.

As it is, this is what is going to happen. Georgia will not admit it, but if they want into NATO they will have to forget Ossetia. NATO isn't going to fight for it. Russia will have to rein in their bully boys, because NATO won't stand for it. Granted, there won't be much militarily they can do about it, but their diplomats will simply annoy everyone until it stops.

NATO membership is a two-edged instrument. Georgia is defended, but Georgia's military gets some third-party supervision.

I think a case could be made that Putin favors McCain. His adventure in Georgia has probably made McCain's election a certainty.

[dragnet2]

I don’t know why this crowd no matter the message—automatically imputes treachery to Buchanan.

I could be wrong, but I would suspect it was due to him bailing out of the Republican party.

For instance, the Israelis stopped sending arms and support to the Georgians as soon as the Russian conflict heated up. Does that make Israel sellouts, treasonous, turncoats to America and its interests?

lol..I didn't know this. If you have a link, I'd like to see it.

I'll check back in a couple hours. Gotta get back to work.

[netmilsmom]

Oh I have a link...
http://www.middle-east-online.com/English/?id=27365

Ooops, says not.

And perhaps Israel, if it decided to keep it’s weapons was thinking about two things.
1. Iran knocking on their door
2. The good old USA will help the Georgians. They need to watch their own backs

[JillValentine]

Quotes from Pat Buchanan:

“Washington D.C. is Israeli-occupied territory.”

“Only the Israeli Defense Ministry and its amen corner in the United States wanted to fight Saddam Hussein.”

“Hitler’s success was not based on his extraordinary gifts alone. His genius was an intuitive sense of the mushiness, the character flaws, the weakness masquerading as morality that was in the hearts of the statesmen who stood in his path.”

“This so-called Holocaust Survivor syndrome involves group fantasies of martyrdom and heroics.”

[GregoTX]

Now Scheunemann is the neocon agent in place in McCain's camp.
The neocons got their war with Iraq. They are pushing for war on Iran. And they are now baiting the Russian Bear.

Sounds like another "Neocon" kook conspiracy theory by P Buchanan. Im sure Obama agrees completely with his "neocon" war conspiracies. Those sneaky "neocons" in the Bush Administration picking on Iraq, Iran and baiting those poor unsuspecting Russians.

[KantianBurke]

"But why should Americans fight Russians to force 70,000 South Ossetians back into the custody of a regime they detest? Why not let the South Ossetians decide their own future in free elections?"