Obama Health Bill: Those on Social Security - Mandatory Counseling on Asst. Suicide

Fred Thompson Show ^

[MHGinTN]

Bob Bechel revealed the answer Barry will give ... if it is one of 'his bills' it will get posted. So far, it is only bills from the democrat controlled Congress which have been passing into law without anyone among the we the people class being allowed to read them.

[The Wizard]

this guy needs to see kovorkian ASAP

[gidget7]

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I already did hit the email address!

[353FMG]

“..EVERYONE who is on Social Security to undergo a counseling session..”

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Are congress critters on SS?

[Tennessee Nana]

I’m listening for the second time...

This is scary...

Many of our FReeper friends fall into this group..

[markomalley]

The exact text is:

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`Advance Care Planning Consultation

`(hhh)(1) Subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), the term `advance care planning consultation' means a consultation between the individual and a practitioner described in paragraph (2) regarding advance care planning, if, subject to paragraph (3), the individual involved has not had such a consultation within the last 5 years. Such consultation shall include the following:

`(A) An explanation by the practitioner of advance care planning, including key questions and considerations, important steps, and suggested people to talk to.

`(B) An explanation by the practitioner of advance directives, including living wills and durable powers of attorney, and their uses.

`(C) An explanation by the practitioner of the role and responsibilities of a health care proxy.

`(D) The provision by the practitioner of a list of national and State-specific resources to assist consumers and their families with advance care planning, including the national toll-free hotline, the advance care planning clearinghouses, and State legal service organizations (including those funded through the Older Americans Act of 1965).

`(E) An explanation by the practitioner of the continuum of end-of-life services and supports available, including palliative care and hospice, and benefits for such services and supports that are available under this title.

`(F)(i) Subject to clause (ii), an explanation of orders regarding life sustaining treatment or similar orders, which shall include--

`(I) the reasons why the development of such an order is beneficial to the individual and the individual's family and the reasons why such an order should be updated periodically as the health of the individual changes;

`(II) the information needed for an individual or legal surrogate to make informed decisions regarding the completion of such an order; and

`(III) the identification of resources that an individual may use to determine the requirements of the State in which such individual resides so that the treatment wishes of that individual will be carried out if the individual is unable to communicate those wishes, including requirements regarding the designation of a surrogate decisionmaker (also known as a health care proxy).

`(ii) The Secretary shall limit the requirement for explanations under clause (i) to consultations furnished in a State--

`(I) in which all legal barriers have been addressed for enabling orders for life sustaining treatment to constitute a set of medical orders respected across all care settings; and

`(II) that has in effect a program for orders for life sustaining treatment described in clause (iii).

`(iii) A program for orders for life sustaining treatment for a States described in this clause is a program that--

`(I) ensures such orders are standardized and uniquely identifiable throughout the State;

`(II) distributes or makes accessible such orders to physicians and other health professionals that (acting within the scope of the professional's authority under State law) may sign orders for life sustaining treatment;

`(III) provides training for health care professionals across the continuum of care about the goals and use of orders for life sustaining treatment; and

`(IV) is guided by a coalition of stakeholders includes representatives from emergency medical services, emergency department physicians or nurses, state long-term care association, state medical association, state surveyors, agency responsible for senior services, state department of health, state hospital association, home health association, state bar association, and state hospice association.

`(2) A practitioner described in this paragraph is--

`(A) a physician (as defined in subsection (r)(1)); and

`(B) a nurse practitioner or physician's assistant who has the authority under State law to sign orders for life sustaining treatments.

`(3)(A) An initial preventive physical examination under subsection (WW), including any related discussion during such examination, shall not be considered an advance care planning consultation for purposes of applying the 5-year limitation under paragraph (1).

`(B) An advance care planning consultation with respect to an individual may be conducted more frequently than provided under paragraph (1) if there is a significant change in the health condition of the individual, including diagnosis of a chronic, progressive, life-limiting disease, a life-threatening or terminal diagnosis or life-threatening injury, or upon admission to a skilled nursing facility, a long-term care facility (as defined by the Secretary), or a hospice program.

`(4) A consultation under this subsection may include the formulation of an order regarding life sustaining treatment or a similar order.

`(5)(A) For purposes of this section, the term `order regarding life sustaining treatment' means, with respect to an individual, an actionable medical order relating to the treatment of that individual that--

`(i) is signed and dated by a physician (as defined in subsection (r)(1)) or another health care professional (as specified by the Secretary and who is acting within the scope of the professional's authority under State law in signing such an order, including a nurse practitioner or physician assistant) and is in a form that permits it to stay with the individual and be followed by health care professionals and providers across the continuum of care;

`(ii) effectively communicates the individual's preferences regarding life sustaining treatment, including an indication of the treatment and care desired by the individual;

`(iii) is uniquely identifiable and standardized within a given locality, region, or State (as identified by the Secretary); and

`(iv) may incorporate any advance directive (as defined in section 1866(f)(3)) if executed by the individual.

`(B) The level of treatment indicated under subparagraph (A)(ii) may range from an indication for full treatment to an indication to limit some or all or specified interventions. Such indicated levels of treatment may include indications respecting, among other items--

`(i) the intensity of medical intervention if the patient is pulse less, apneic, or has serious cardiac or pulmonary problems;

`(ii) the individual's desire regarding transfer to a hospital or remaining at the current care setting;

`(iii) the use of antibiotics; and

`(iv) the use of artificially administered nutrition and hydration.'.

(2) PAYMENT- Section 1848(j)(3) of such Act (42 U.S.C. 1395w-4(j)(3)) is amended by inserting `(2)(FF),' after `(2)(EE),'.

(3) FREQUENCY LIMITATION- Section 1862(a) of such Act (42 U.S.C. 1395y(a)) is amended--

(A) in paragraph (1)--

(i) in subparagraph (N), by striking `and' at the end;

(ii) in subparagraph (O) by striking the semicolon at the end and inserting `, and'; and

(iii) by adding at the end the following new subparagraph:

`(P) in the case of advance care planning consultations (as defined in section 1861(hhh)(1)), which are performed more frequently than is covered under such section;'; and

(B) in paragraph (7), by striking `or (K)' and inserting `(K), or (P)'.

(4) EFFECTIVE DATE- The amendments made by this subsection shall apply to consultations furnished on or after January 1, 2011.

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You can read for yourself what it says.

[My Favorite Headache]

She says it in the interview...mandatory counseling every 5 yrs and explained it that exact way. Why would Fred Thompson go forth with this if that isn’t what it is implying?

[Velveeta]

Soros’ plan coming to fruition.
What a world.

[rfp1234]

From an alternate source.

http://mycountrymatters.wordpress.com/2009/07/17/os-broken-promises/

One troubling provision of the House bill compels seniors to submit to a counseling session every five years (and more often if they become sick or go into a nursing home) about alternatives for end-of-life care (House bill, p. 425-430).

The sessions cover highly sensitive matters such as whether to receive antibiotics and “the use of artificially administered nutrition and hydration.” This mandate invites abuse, and seniors could easily be pushed to refuse care. Do we really want government involved in such deeply personal issues?

[FlingWingFlyer]

ObamaCare! Come on Grandma and Grandpa, DO IT FOR THE CHILDREN!!!

[Tennessee Nana]

You are blessed to still have your wonderful Mom..

I hope that this foul Bill does not pass...

[newheart]

I did listen to the interview and I think she is going beyond the text.

[RightOnTheLeftCoast]

"Why would Fred Thompson go forth with this if that isn’t what it is implying?"

Good question. Maybe he didn't read it himself? Maybe he got "took" too?

[Lazamataz]

Counseling every 5 years, yes. But not about ways to kill yourself, which is what the interviewee implies -- or even says.

Further, this thread title says it outright.

No offense man, but my reading of the bill didn't have what she said!

[I see my hands]

"MARXISTS! DEFEAT THEM"

Cool, what do you want to do?

[EagleUSA]

Healthcare is Deathcare via government.
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In all practical ways, how does this government differ from that of Adolf Hitler in the late thirties???

[BunnySlippers]

Thank you very much.

[taxtruth]

Eugenics's seems popular with governments

[True Republican Patriot]

The DEMORATS starved and dehydrated Terri Schiavo to the most Horrendous Death! Finishing off the Murder her Husband Michael had perpetrated ten years before, only not quite successfully! Why wont the DEMORATS Kill You and Your Loved Ones when it suits their whims and/or when its convenient to do so, just like Abortions, the Murder of the most Innocent of all Human Life! Remember, determining when Human Life begins according to “THE ONE”, oi above his pay grade, but he readily assists legally in all of the Murders!

[Anima Mundi]

I don’t even care what the counseling is about. I am troubled by the MANDATORY anything being linked to Social Security.That is so bad and could lead to so many restrictions on receiving Social Security. In fact, the true goal of this bill may just be that. Require all sorts of things in order for people to get Social Security and many will just not bother to get it. In theory they may think this is a sort of “fix” to the Social Security payment problem. NOTHING should be linked to it. That was the deal. They should have to give back what was paid in at the very least.