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Newly Named Fish an Evolutionary Enigma
ICR News ^ | October 8, 2009 | Brian Thomas, M.S.

Posted on 10/08/2009 6:50:55 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Newly Named Fish an Evolutionary Enigma

A new species of chimaera found in Californian waters has been given a name. Chimaeras are bizarre cartilaginous fish with features that stand out among other fish. What also stands out is their lack of evolutionary change over supposed eons of evolutionary time...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: California; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: belongsinreligion; creation; evolution; godsgravesglyphs; intelligentdesign; notasciencetopic; propellerbeanie; science; unintelligent
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1 posted on 10/08/2009 6:50:56 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Does it fry?


2 posted on 10/08/2009 6:52:18 PM PDT by Dallas59
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To: GodGunsGuts
Gee, and here I thought that something like 450 species were going extinct every single day because of capitalism and we awful human beings, scourge of nature. Somehow this oddball species got left out of the catastrophe.

Oh. I know. It managed to survive the Bush years somehow, and now it's coming out of hiding to rejoice over the elevation of you-know-who.

I love science!

3 posted on 10/08/2009 6:56:49 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Without the second, the rest are just politicians BS.)
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To: Dallas59

I don’t know, but given the armor plating, I imagine it slices about as easy as a tin can.


4 posted on 10/08/2009 6:57:43 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
It will eventually fall prey to my Zara Spook Jr.

They ALL do.

5 posted on 10/08/2009 6:57:47 PM PDT by BallyBill (Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Oh my, shut off more water for the valley.


6 posted on 10/08/2009 6:59:08 PM PDT by ully2 (ully)
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To: Steely Tom

Perhaps name it Ich-hope-Obamalus, since it was discovered during Obama’s regime. The fish likely caught wind of hope on the horizon and instead of living in the mud, it heard there was stimulus money in Detroit...I’ll bet it was caught after migrating towards the Great Lakes.


7 posted on 10/08/2009 7:00:05 PM PDT by CincyRichieRich (Keep your head up and keep moving forward!)
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To: BallyBill

I’m gonna have to get me one of those!


8 posted on 10/08/2009 7:01:20 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

My Zoology professor always said the Chimera looked like female biology professors.

9 posted on 10/08/2009 7:05:56 PM PDT by gitmo (History books will read that Lincoln freed the slaves and Obama enslaved the free.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Surfing will probably be banned by the whackos.


10 posted on 10/08/2009 7:11:59 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: GodGunsGuts
So, think about it a moment. The very concept of Darwinian "fitness" carries within it the implication that if you are good enough to keep on top of the problems around you, dine well, and avoid serious parasites, you should need no changes.

These fish (and alligators for that matter) definitely demonstrate that some critters don't really need many changes at all to maintain their existence. We might even suggest that they are so adapted to their environments that if a mutation does pop up it is instantly fatal and we just never see it!

Or, alternatively, they are organized like government agencies where well enough is good enough, and they just stay as they are until Congress finally cuts off their funds.

11 posted on 10/08/2009 7:16:12 PM PDT by muawiyah (qui)
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That line of argument would imply, in this case, that the environment the fish lived in would have to remain relatively unchanged for 200 million years. Otherwise, it’s pretty inconcievable that, if random mutations cause beneficial adaptations to appear in the vast majority of other organisms, it never created one that this little fish could make use of.


12 posted on 10/08/2009 7:35:30 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Dallas59

“Does it fry?” Of course! You’ve never heard of frying frish?


13 posted on 10/08/2009 7:41:39 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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Obviously, if macro-evolution were true, the chimaera could evolve into many different forms over the course of hundreds of millions of years—just look at all the other sea creatures that share the chimaera’s environment! The fact that it hasn’t means the best explanation for the chimaera is that it is a young species, and that the evos’ hundreds of millions of years is erroneous.


14 posted on 10/08/2009 7:43:47 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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“The fact that it hasn’t means the best explanation for the chimaera is that it is a young species, and that the evos’ hundreds of millions of years is erroneous.”

and the enviros go “oops”.


15 posted on 10/08/2009 7:52:16 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt (Obama's Deathcare ---- many will suffer and/or die unnecessarily.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Who y’all callin’ “enigma”? Dat be racist, baby!


16 posted on 10/08/2009 8:21:47 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: gitmo
LOL

B.S. Zool. 1977

17 posted on 10/08/2009 11:20:58 PM PDT by VanShuyten ("Do you call it 'unsound method'?" "No method at all," I murmured.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
"The fact that it hasn’t means the best explanation for the chimaera is that it is a young species, and that the evos’ hundreds of millions of years is erroneous."

Or that the present chimaera has evolved over hundreds of millions of years to fit its present niche. Or maybe its present habitat is very similar to what it lived in hundreds of millions of years ago.

18 posted on 10/08/2009 11:31:39 PM PDT by VanShuyten ("Do you call it 'unsound method'?" "No method at all," I murmured.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
No, not that it's a "young species" but that it has a stable genome and is top dog in its niche.
19 posted on 10/09/2009 5:07:23 AM PDT by muawiyah (qui)
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To: Boogieman
If the fish never had any mutations, or it had a repair mechanism that simply stripped mutations out and replaced them with the correct code (which is the case with many bacteria), you would expect to see few mutations over even geologic periods of time.

Going further, let's say the "environment" has nothing whatsoever to do with "mutations" ~ just whether or not a particular critter gets served up parboiled, roasted or fried ~ and that there's a "lowest common denominator" genome configuration that keeps you around, this critter could live in remarkably varied environments.

Another way to look at the situation is that this one fish has a set of genes quite like our own such that if you paw your way through the whole panoply of mammalian life you will find the same ones over and over with few variations.

Our own genes, with slight variation, also survive over geologic periods of time (and you can measure that sort of time however you wish, it becomes a relative value that tells folks that we mean "longest possible time we can measure in the here and now on this particular rock"). What does vary are the exogenous instructional material that turns the genes on or off, and the number of genes of any particular kind that we have available for our use. Sometimes just having an extra gene will give you a disease or an advantage. Having 10 extra may give you a larger brain (e.g.).

In that light the fish in question wouldn't be any different than ourselves except that it's exogenous materials may be more stable than our own for reasons no one has yet discovered.

20 posted on 10/09/2009 5:17:41 AM PDT by muawiyah
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