Posted on 12/09/2009 7:59:20 PM PST by WesternCulture
Every child, Muslim or not, KNOWS Islam hates what America stands for.
As a European, I understand why many Americans wonder why we don't give more support to the US than we do.
You, indeed, supported US, even in our darkest hour; at a point in history we Europeans didn't even support our own freedom.
This was just some decades ago.
One sort of answer to this question is that deep somewhere in the intrinsic soul of Europe, there is true resistence to evil and enslavement, but after having experienced so much of it, we are somewhat unable of expressing this inner belief of ours.
When we do, it comes in the form of the most magnificent of all musical pieces ever composed:
Beethoven's 9th Symphony, our anthem.
However, not even the proud orchestras of Vienna, London and Berlin can stop the advancement of reality.
The PC doctrines many European leaders take pride in launching on a daily basis won't stop the progress of Eurabia.
We have a situation here.
What we Europeans ought to do right now is to continue arguing with America - out of principle - while simultaneously taking on more of a proper role in the WOT.
I'm a European (Swedish) guy of 40 who never have understood the hatred between our corners of the world.
The competition and squabbling yes, but the unaware, ridiculous bashing, no.
I sometimes can't resist some good ol' mud throwing across the pond (But at least, there's some heart in it on such occasions..), but why would I wish to call Americans "stupid".
I've lived and worked in Britain and I love many aspects of that part of Europe, but one aspect I don't particularly fancy about typical British behavior is the inclination to call Americans names (on the other hand, they are very much like the Italians; on a monument celebrating Leonardo da Vinci in the little town of Vinci, Tuscany, near Florence, a proud, idiotic Florentine once sprayed "Pisa Morte!" = "Death to Pisa!" - Brits and Italians hate their neighbor cities above all else, so simply don't bother too much)
When young (well, this was when I was 29), I got drunk in Rome together with some Americans guys and some British girls. Why don't we always behave like that? Next day, I was sober enough to explain to a bunch of Danish freaks I met the day before why they had been in custody all night.
From my Swedish perspective:
Why should we Westerners (and our allies) quarrel over green house gas emissions instead of trying to run civilization like Ingvar Kamprad runs IKEA? (Okay, there are many other smart businessmen, but believe me that man has IK).
We Westerners are presently in a war together, something I view as a pretty serious engagement, opposed to how I, as a Scandinavian, view "our" attempts at bonding with the likes of Carter, Gore and Obama through appointing them certain awards.
What have they done in order to fight Islamism?
Less than some "lesser" persons.
Brave Swedish soldiers, Danish soldiers, American soldiers and British soldiers have died in this war that should not be.
The families of these true heroes try hard, EVERY day and carry on some sort of "life as usual" existence, while I lead a very pleasant life here in Sweden, planning Christmas celebrations and reading old recepies from the time my grandparents were mere kids helping their mothers make meatballs (at a time when IKEA restaurants didn't exist, not even in Sweden) while begging their fathers to buy them a bicycle.
Western civilization actually means something to me. I can not be separated from it.
I will continue to stand up for it.
Not only because I had a fun time in Rome some years ago and on so many other occasions when abroad.
The prime reason for this stance and belief of mine is that it has taught me freedom.
I have shared good times (whilst sober as well as sometimes pretty sober) with (secularized) Muslim people on my journies abroad.
But never with "convinced" Muslims. Instead of being welcoming and open, they go on forever with their senseless blahblahblah until you turn your back on them and walk away (in their world, reproducing long, pointless lectures by their favourite Imam is involved with great social prestige, that's about the least they feel they can do for their holy cause).
At one time, in India, I explained to one them (well, he wasn't a "fanatic" perhaps) the blatant conflict between what he explained to be his ambitions in life and what the Koran instructed him to do. He got immensely confused. Perhaps there was hope for that guy..
Even IF Islam (somehow) would prove to be much more of a cuddly religion than many Westerners today picture it to be, there remains the threat of those PC Western "leaders" who get paid $500 000 a year for preaching things like "We must all go green and everyone ought to give everyone else around a green, big hug".
In Europe we have tons of them.
A big F*** *** to them from Europeans like me who do decent jobs, producing something of value here in life like fighter planes or BMW, Audi and Volvo SUVs!
A truly united, prosperous, free Europe is a wonderful ambition.
Such politicians are the undertakers of that dream.
Just like we Europeans should support Americans who wish to stand up for their freedom - which go hand in hand with that of ours - Americans ought to understand that Chirac is never was "our" leader.
Please allow me to go on preaching, using my kind of English;
Being defenders of freedom, America, Europe and our allies like Japan, India, South Korea, Australia etc MUST continue to support the right to express more or less everything. Even nonsense and abuse.
It's as easy as that.
America can get over Chirac. Sarkozy did.
I've been to France two times this year for holiday.
I enjoyed a lot of friendly chats with all sorts of people. Most of them expressed dissatisfaction with Chirac, no one criticized USA.
There is NO substantial disagrement between traditional European values and American ones regarding what constitutes true civilization.
But there IS a severe conflict between the Western idea of liberty and the idea of ideologies like Socialism, Fascism, Nazism and Islamism.
Some years ago, I visited a certain museum in Copenhagen called "the Museum of Freedom" (Frihedsmuséet).
I was confronted with letters young Danes had written to their families some hours before being shot by the Nazis occupying their country.
Appalled and heart-rended, I stumbled back from their last greetings to humanity, feeling like I owed these young patriots something.
My committment?
My life?
Yes, words sometimes fail.
But the struggle for freedom will not and can not.
You must be from Malmo.
My favorite part:
we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.
We're chock full of those types, and those types are stirring over here.
This poster has trashed the US for years.
Read his past posts. He hates us.
This is more about limp-wristed Euro Trash musings; if these POS put themselves in the same position again as before, during and after two world wars then let them loose every drop of blood and life first, before any American should loose their life to defend them!
You may be right.
But even though I have had some differences with this poster in the past, I have also had some civil discussions.
I say, that even if he felt this way for one night, tonight when he wrote this, we would be better off if hundreds of millions of Europeans (And many Americans) had this same outpouring of sentiment for at least one night.
I say give him a break tonight.
No. You post one of his past posts, where you claim he hates us. We’ll go from there.
> This poster has trashed the US for years.
maybe a change of heart?
Or complete BS.
Keep working on this, and you might end up with quite a manifesto. Best wishes.
# What's wrong with America? Sunday, November 08, 2009 10:37:33 PM · by WesternCulture · 137 replies · 2,232+ views 11/09/2009 | WesternCulture Seriously, Why do America think it rules the Earth? It does not. My home country, Sweden, has 9 million inhabitants and we rule Europe, aka the largest economy on the planet. Test me. Does a Koenigsegg embarrass a Lamborghini or what.. China, the US as well as Germany are loosers in the game of industrial achievments compared to my "little" nation. Why is it so hard for you to manufacture real world products?
Great post. Thanks.
He’s an America basher. See my previous post.
> Or complete BS.
But it’s obviously not BS. Without saying he’s sorry, he’s saying he’s committed to the survival of Western culture, along with the United States.
Speaking as a patriot with family roots in this country going back 350+ years, there’s plenty to criticize about our current culture. If you don’t like my saying that, kiss my a$$.
I don't have a problem with other people being patriotic. It's a sign of self-respect.
Anyway, he's on our side.
> Here you go:
Say - what would a patriotic Swede look and talk like?
Would he gush sycophantically about the US?
I don’t think our ego is so fragile as to take offense at this stuff.
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