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Odd Challenge: Lying, is it constitutionally protected?
One News Now ^
| 2/4/2010
| Chad Groening
Posted on 02/04/2010 1:16:04 PM PST by AstroTurf _Queen
An organization dedicated to honoring the nation's prisoners of war and missing in action service members is outraged that a federal law against lying about military medals is facing First Amendment challenges. Lawyers in California and Colorado cases have made similar arguments against the "Stolen Valor Act," saying that lying is protected by the First Amendment unless it does real harm.
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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: firstamendment; freespeech; lying; phonysoldiers; pow; stolenvalor; stolenvaloract; veterans; welcometofr
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To: AstroTurf _Queen
The problem I have with the act is that it hard to qualifiy when a law has been actually broken. We do have laws against fraud already.
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posted on
02/04/2010 1:33:02 PM PST
by
Perdogg
("Is that a bomb in your pants, or are you excited to come to America?")
To: Jewbacca
The Ministry of Truth must decide what is and isn’t the Truth..................
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posted on
02/04/2010 1:34:40 PM PST
by
Red Badger
(Education makes people easy to lead, difficult to drive; easy to govern, but impossible to enslave.)
To: oneamericanvoice
I was being sarcastic in an effort ot point out the hypocrisy of the left. By some accounts, dressing as a phone repairman and walking into a senator's office is as egregious an offense as has ever been committed on American soil, yet some poseur wearing a Medal of Honor should be ok, because lying is protected speech.
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posted on
02/04/2010 1:34:44 PM PST
by
Joe 6-pack
(Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
To: AstroTurf _Queen
That explains Michael Mann.
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posted on
02/04/2010 1:35:32 PM PST
by
Tribune7
(Obama Is An Obstructionist)
To: Truth is a Weapon
If we have laws against fraud, why do we need another law?
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posted on
02/04/2010 1:36:07 PM PST
by
Perdogg
("Is that a bomb in your pants, or are you excited to come to America?")
To: AstroTurf _Queen
Lying is fraud. Fraud is a crime.
Next question.
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posted on
02/04/2010 1:37:14 PM PST
by
Dead Corpse
(III, Oathkeeper)
To: Joe 6-pack
I am not saying it should be protected speech, I just don't want yet another law. If someone commits fraud, we have laws on the book to prosecute.
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posted on
02/04/2010 1:37:36 PM PST
by
Perdogg
("Is that a bomb in your pants, or are you excited to come to America?")
To: OneWingedShark
Mildred Gillars, known popularly as “Axis Sally” (although she did not use that name on the air), was convicted of treason in WWII for a radio broadcast (a work of fiction no less). She wasn’t being charged for working for the Nazis in GENERAL or broadcasting on Nazi radio. It was the content of the broadcast.
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posted on
02/04/2010 1:38:24 PM PST
by
a fool in paradise
("like it or not, we have to have a financial system that is healthy and functioning" Obama 2/4/2010)
To: AstroTurf _Queen
unless it does real harm And it seems to me that it ought to be up to the legislative process as to what constitutes real harm.
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posted on
02/04/2010 1:38:26 PM PST
by
Tribune7
(Obama Is An Obstructionist)
To: Dead Corpse
Lying is not legal fraud. Lying is one element in fraud that has to be met in order to prosecute someone on the basis of fraud.
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posted on
02/04/2010 1:38:55 PM PST
by
Perdogg
("Is that a bomb in your pants, or are you excited to come to America?")
To: broken_arrow1
Ask him. He’s a constitutional law expert(or so he says) LOL
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posted on
02/04/2010 1:39:03 PM PST
by
lakeman
To: chrisser
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posted on
02/04/2010 1:40:45 PM PST
by
Canedawg
(Our government has become a travesty.)
To: oneamericanvoice
John Kerry claims he has a hat to show he served in “special forces”.
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posted on
02/04/2010 1:41:34 PM PST
by
a fool in paradise
("like it or not, we have to have a financial system that is healthy and functioning" Obama 2/4/2010)
To: Perdogg
"I am not saying it should be protected speech, I just don't want yet another law. If someone commits fraud, we have laws on the book to prosecute." Oh...I think we have a multitude of unecessary laws on the books that need to be repealed. IMHO, the Stolen Valor Act isn't one of them.
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posted on
02/04/2010 1:42:58 PM PST
by
Joe 6-pack
(Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
To: AstroTurf _Queen
If someone receives some tangible benefit from lying about the service( speaking fee....free room or board, etc.) then there is already a law.
If someone wears a uniform or decoration on that uniform or on civilian attire s/he is not suppose to wear, then there are laws dealing with that, also.
But as disgusting as it is to lie about being a hero (I spent most of 1970 in Vietnam, by the way), just telling a lie about service or winning medals should not get someone thrown into jail...IMHO...
To me it is akin to the thought police realm or the hate crime concept..
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posted on
02/04/2010 1:44:36 PM PST
by
Ecliptic
To: Joe 6-pack
so if a guy is in a bar downtown telling a couple chicks he was in Iraq fighting OBL we should send in the police to investigate whether or not he is telling the truth?
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posted on
02/04/2010 1:46:59 PM PST
by
Perdogg
("Is that a bomb in your pants, or are you excited to come to America?")
To: Perdogg
"so if a guy is in a bar downtown telling a couple chicks he was in Iraq fighting OBL we should send in the police to investigate whether or not he is telling the truth?" If he's wearing a Silver Star that he didn't earn, yes.
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posted on
02/04/2010 1:48:34 PM PST
by
Joe 6-pack
(Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
To: AstroTurf _Queen
I just want to know if lying in the State of the Union by president is constitutional protected?
If you recall liberals did not seem to think so with regard to Bush’s “16 words” (all of which were proven to be true), yet nobody seems to mind when Obama lies to the people and congress in the State of the Union in so many easily verifiable ways. Such as the no lobbies statement, among a great many other such “false” statements.
To: pray4liberty
“If a lie is not the truth, then exactly who is it who determines what is true and what is not, what is a lie and what is not?”
Bingo.
Don’t doubt for a second FreeRepublic would not be shut down by Obama Brownshirts because it’s “all lies.”
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posted on
02/04/2010 1:53:34 PM PST
by
Jewbacca
(The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
To: Dead Corpse
“Lying is fraud. Fraud is a crime.”
Incorrect.
Fraud means: (1) intentionally lie; (2) with the intent to defraud; (3) trick someone (reliance on the lie) and (4) cause damage by the lie.
If someone is just a faker without intent to get something (e.g., vet benefits, job, etc), then it’s not fraud.
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posted on
02/04/2010 1:56:02 PM PST
by
Jewbacca
(The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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