Posted on 08/31/2010 10:18:57 AM PDT by Jmouse007
Nowhere does God tell anyone to pray to the "gods".
In fact, to pray to the "gods" is forbidden in the Bible.
As far as Adam and Eve and the reference to "gods"...the interpretation is clearly that they now knew the difference between good and evil. That's the ONLY way they have become like God. I know your religion teaches you something different. Sorry...Mormons will NOT be gods someday. No way. That's false.
Good question, one I would agree that those suggestions may have been netter.
But I wasn’t addressing that.
I believe you are mistaken. The pastor is not a Mormon. But his prayer was soemthing a world council of churches would quickly endorse for its ‘inclusiveness’ in praying for the nation to be ‘one nation under gods’. Listen to the last paragraph of his prayer, he says just that, ‘one nation under gods.’
During his time in Athens, Paul was disturbed by an altar bearing
the inscription: “To The Unknown God.” Sadly, I see that altar as
a picture of today’s America. Our diversity culture seeks to adopt
all “truth” into one collective truth so that there ultimately is
no real truth.
- Jonathan Falwell
I wasn’t arguing specific points of doctrine or context of what was said in the prayer or in the scriptures. The Bible quotes were intentionally not applicable. I don’t care what the pastor meant and the meaning of the quoted Bible verses has nothing to do with my point. My point was that the message was more important than the words used in the message and that applies to the rally and the Bible. Case in point: Biblegateway.com where I got the quotes, boasts over 100 translations of the Bible. The message is still good.
Freeper rogue yam said “I think that those here who think that he is ever in this prayer intentionally uttering the word “Gods” and meaning it in a plural sense are mistaken.”
To elaborate what i said in reply #67, I agree with rogue yam and the others who think it is due to a verbal tic, and it is also an acoustic effect concerning the consonants “d” “t” and “s”.
It sounds like he’s using a “t” sound at the end of God, like Gaah-t, and noticeably also in the word blood at 8:36 which sounds like bluh-t.
The “t” sound is also then extended slightly in time and emphasized at the end of the word, the way preachers sometimes do on final consonants, making it sound similar to a “ts” sound (like when you mimic the sound of something sizzling you’d go “tsssss”, but shorter in duration in this case). So it sounds like Gaah-ts.
Also, this “ts” sizzle sound effect could be increased because microphones often are built to emphasize (boost) the frequencies in the 8,000-10,000 Hz range where the “t” and “s” sounds are.
Unfortunately, for you Jmouse007 and for Free Republic, I believe that this thread is a mistake.
My advice to you, EVERY HEAD BOWED AND EVERY EYE CLOSED. Next time someone is praying take that opportunity to lift up the event speakers.
He is the pastor of a Nondenominational New Testament Church.
He's from the East and their diction is really strange to us Southerner's.
Dude. The pastor is not a Mormon. Get a mitt and get in the game.
I misread the original poster's text and thought he said the guy was a Mormon. The use of "gods" lined up with that reading even though it was incorrect.
You are correct, we are not to pray to “gods” but to the one true God.
I heard it to, but I figured that the speaker just had an accent (I’ve heard people from NYC and England make an “S” sound where a “T” is in a word....especially if it’s at the end of the word.
However, you may be onto something here.
It’s a shame because from most appearances Glenn Beck did a very good thing with this rally.
Matthew 6
King James Version
1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:
4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.
5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
The website for his church shows:
“We welcome you to The New Testament Church web site. Our desire is to serve you with the gifts and resources that the Lord has given us so that you can have a personal relationship with your Creator through Jesus Christ His Son and grow in your walk with Him.”
Sounds like it was just an accent.
I just didn’t want to see the pastor vilified when was a lot to do about nothing.
Sounds pretty Mormon to me. How about the Godesses?
The only problem with your theory is that he pronounced "God" three different times and just as loudly as later on in his prayer one right after another without any problem at all. He only began praying to the "gods" when he began addressing "the LORD gods".
Believe me, I took no pleasure in posting this but the recroded evidence seems to clearly indicate that after saying "God" three times he went on to pray to the "gods" throughout the remainder of his prayer.
It should also be noted that throughout the entire prayer, Pastor Jehle did not have a problem mistakingly turning the singular of ANY OTHER WORD into a plural. The ONLY exception was the word God. After saying "God," properly THREE TIMES without any lisp, verbal click, tick, "th," Ssss, or problem, he went on throughout the remainder of his "prayer" to call upon the "gods" (plural) at least SEVEN or EIGHT times!
You are very sure of yourself, however you may be spreading false information. Why don't you try verifying it like it was suggested in reply #55? Pastors are not usually unapproachable people.
Here’s the guys church:
Senior Pastor:
Dr. Paul Jehle, Ed.D
Why don’t you email him and ask him to clarify what he said. If he is a “all gods are one” type guy, he’s probably not going to hid it.
Rather than speculate, just ask the guy.
I did NOT know that is what Mormonism teaches. I know that is not what we (Christians) believe. However, having gone to parochial school for 5 years with a strong catechism, I still remember, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit (actually, back then it was the Holy Ghost). Thanks for the Mormon info. Was the man who gave the prayer Mormon, or do you think that he said it for Glenn?
ROFL!!
Thanks... I plan to steal that phrase.
Of all the things to get exercised over.... wow. We have GOT to move forward together, under God.
Did you check out Pastor Jehles’ church website?
From the “What We Believe” page...
The Nature of God
We believe in one God, eternally existent in three Persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
http://207.200.19.180/images/10000/4000/380TH/user/WhatWeBelieve.pdf
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