Posted on 08/31/2010 10:18:57 AM PDT by Jmouse007
The opening prayer of dedication at Glenn Becks "Restoring Honor" rally:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47V-dpiLM78
(Pastor Jehles (Pronounced "Jail") is introduced and invited to give the opening prayer of dedication at approximately the 5minute:14second mark.)
was addressed to the "gods", NOT to the one TRUE God who establised America, not to the God of the Bible or of biblical Christianity.
We watched the entire "Restoring Honor" event and "Pastor" Paul Jehles OPENING PRAYER in behalf of the nation and everyone assembled which was addressed to the Lord "gods" (plural) was appalling!
This "pastor" made a specific point of calling on the "gods" for various reasons at least SEVEN TIMES in his "prayer".
(He is introduced to give the prayer of dedication at approximately the 5minute: 14second mark.)
Having taught Homiletics, I carefully reviewed his "prayer" in order to confirm what I distinctly thought I heard. I have listened to his prayer numerous times using all of the tools at my disposal and my conclusion is this: It is clearly evident from the recorded prayer found here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47V-dpiLM78
that he was NOT making a mistake or that he had a lisp or speech impediment when he referred to the "gods". This is evident because in the very beginning of the "prayer" he prayed to God" (no plural) and then shortly thereafter, and I believe for the remainder of the "prayer", he prayed to the "gods".
This is either because "Pastor" Paul Jehles is a Mormon (which, upon further examination of his background, education, ministry and bio, is not the case), or because he was being PC and trying to appease all of the other "faiths" and the various false "gods" they represent and serve. In either case what he said from the dais and what he "prayed" in behalf of those gathered, and in behalf of the nation of America, in order to dedicate and open this event was nothing short of evil and Satanic!
To my knowledge, never before in the history of America has a supposed man of the cloth specifically prayed to the "gods" in a massive national public forum representing America and praying for the "gods" blessings upon the nation.
This is deeply disturbing and raises very real issues regarding the "spiritual" nature of the event, and Glenn Beck's relationship to "jesus"; especially in light of the fact that Mr. Beck injected Mormon theology into the event prior to the prayer by addressing the American Indians on the platform as "God's CHOSEN PEOPLE"! A title and position scripturally reserved for the Jews alone!
Mr. Beck was responsible for the event and nothing took place, no one did anything, without his direct involvement.
Pastor Paul Jehle was specifically chosen to give the OPENING prayer of dedication for the Restoring Honor rally. He does not appear to have any speech impediment.
In his "prayer" you can distinctly hear him apparently praying to the "gods" at least SEVEN different times:
He is introduced by Glenn Beck and invited to give the opening prayer of dedication at approximately 5minute: 14second mark.
Feel free to examine the following evidence for yourself.
Observations:
1) Whenever Pastor Jehles uses plurals: "peoples," "nations," "rights," "accounts," "treaties," "words" etc, he draws out the Ssss at the end of the word. When he uses singular words he does not put an "s" on the end or draw out an Ssss on the end of the word.
2) He begins his prayer by using the SINGULAR form "God" and uses the singular form "God" THREE TIMES before switching to the PLURAL word "gods" (*Note: all of the following minute and second marks are approximate):
He starts his prayer with "Lord God"(singular) 5:47
"In the name of 'God'" (singular) amen 6:42
"blessed the 'God'" (singular) of heaven 6:52
3) After this, Pastor Jehle switches to the plural term: "gods" for the remainder of his prayer. He uses the term "gods" at least EIGHT TIMES (unless "under gods" at the very end of the prayer is in fact singular. This is the only instance that is difficult to discern):
"Lord gods" used 4x's: 7:02, 7:09, 7:37, 7:43;
"Oh gods" used 1x :7:56
"You will do it because your gods" used 1x: 8:58
"Restoring gods" used 1x: 9:21
"One nation under gods" used 1x: 9:39. In this ONE case it is not clear if he is saying "God" or "gods", in every other instance it is clearly evident that he is using the plural and it is very disturbing to say the least.
My son, along with 200 others from Oklahoma City attended the rally and my son, along with EVERYONE around him was taken aback when they heard Jails praying to the "gods" and they were also very disturbed by what he said as he said it!
So what? Why does this matter? Why is what Pastor Jehle said in his prayer important?
This IS important! The reason it DOES matter is because throughout the event and on his TV and radio shows, Glenn repeatedly talks about the individual and America's need to "come to god," to return to "god". In light of Glenn's Mormonism and his specific choice of "Pastor" Paul Jehle to give the OPENING PRAYER OF DEDICATION to the "gods", which set the tone for the entire event, the preeminent question we must all ask ourselves and Glenn Beck is this =
WHICH "god"? Which "gods" are you calling us to cry out to? Which "god" are you calling America and Americans to follow and obey?
As much as I love and respect Glenn Beck, the "jesus" of Mormonism, the "jesus" and "gods" Glenn and Mormonism worship and serve are NOT the Lord Jesus Christ, or the God of the Bible. Neither are they the God who established America.
There is only ONE TRUE and LIVING God, He is a jealous God and He will NOT give His glory to another "god" because ALL OTHER "gods", including "jesus" and ALL of the "gods" of Mormonism, are FALSE "gods":
‘See now that I, I AM HE, And there is NO god BESIDES ME; It is I who put to death and give life. I have wounded and it is I who heal, And there is no one who can deliver from MY HAND.' (Deuteronomy 32:39 Emphasis mine)
You are My witnesses,” declares the LORD, “And My servant whom I have chosen, So that you may know and believe Me And understand that I am He. Before Me there was NO God formed, And there will be NONE after Me.
“I, even I, AM the LORD, And THERE IS NO SAVIOR BESIDES ME.
“It is I who have declared and saved and proclaimed, And there was no strange god among you; So you are My witnesses,” declares the LORD, “And I AM GOD.
“Even FROM ETERNITY I AM HE, And there is none who can deliver out of My hand; I act and who can reverse it?” (Isaiah 43:10-13 Emphasis mine)
“I AM the LORD, that is MY NAME;
I WILL NOT GIVE MY GLORY TO ANOTHER,
Nor My praise to graven images. (Isaiah 42:8, Emphasis mine)
We are living in the Last days, spiritual deception and false "Christs" abound. Given the times in which we are living, it is imperative that all of us who know the true and living God use spiritual discernment in order to avoid following after false Christs, and false "gods", including the false "jesus" and false "gods" of Mormonism because all of the supposed "good works" in the world cannot save us:
"Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. “MANY will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not PROPHESY IN YOUR NAME, and IN YOUR NAME CAST OUT DEMONS, and IN YOUR NAME PERFORM MANY MIRACLES?’ “And then I will declare to them, ‘I NEVER KNEW YOU; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’" (Matthew 27:10-13, Emphasis mine)
God's Word is clear; as Christians and the Church of Jesus Christ we have a responsibility to maintain spiritual purity for the cause of Christ and in order to maintain purity regarding the genuine Gospel of Jesus Christ:
DO NOT BE BOUND TOGETHER WITH UNBELIEVERS; for what PARTNERSHIP have RIGHTEOUSNESS and LAWLESSNESS, or what FELLOWSHIP has LIGHT with DARKNESS?
Or what HARMONY has Christ with BELIAL, or what has a BELIEVER in common with an UNBELIEVER?
Or what agreement has THE TEMPLE OF GOD WITH IDOLS? For WE ARE THE TEMPLE OF THE LIVING GOD; just as God said, “I will dwell in them and walk among them;
And I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
“Therefore, come out from their midst and be separate,” says the Lord. “And do not touch what is unclean; And I will welcome you. “And I will be a father to you, And you shall be sons and daughters to Me,” Says the Lord Almighty. (2 Corinthians 6:14-18, Emphasis mine)
We need to be careful because God may be testing America as to whether or not we will serve Him and Him alone of follow after false "gods":
“If a PROPHET or a dreamer of dreams ARISES AMONG YOU and gives you a SIGN or a WONDER,
and the sign or the wonder COMES TRUE, concerning which he spoke to you, saying, ‘LET US GO AFTER O T H E R gods (WHOM YOU HAVE NOT KNOWN) and LET US SERVE THEM,’
YOU SHALL NOT LISTEN TO THE WORDS OF THAT PROPHET or that dreamer of dreams; for the LORD your God IS TESTING YOU TO FIND OUT IF YOU LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL.
“You shall follow THE LORD YOUR God and FEAR HIM; and YOU SHALL KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS, LISTEN to HIS VOICE, SERVE HIM, and CLING TO HIM.
“But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has HE HAS COUNSELED REBELLION AGAINST THE LORD YOUR GOD who brought you from the land of Egypt and redeemed you from the house of slavery, TO SEDUCE YOU FROM THE WAY IN WHICH THE LORD YOUR GOD COMMANDED YOU TO WALK. So you shall purge the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5, Emphasis mine)
As Christians our responsibility is to "seek first the kingdom of God", not the country of America. If that means removing ourselves from future events and rally's promoted by Mr. Beck or others that seek to "restore America" or "restore honor" while promoting "spiritual unity" at the cost of doctrinal purity between those who know the Lord Jesus Christ and individuals, denominations and cults, like Mormonism which do not, then so be it.
For more on this pressing issue please see the following article by Brannon S. Howse regarding:
Following Glenn Beck's Divine Destiny or God's Word By Brannon S. Howse
http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worldview-times/article.php?articleid=6439
Nowhere does God tell anyone to pray to the "gods".
In fact, to pray to the "gods" is forbidden in the Bible.
As far as Adam and Eve and the reference to "gods"...the interpretation is clearly that they now knew the difference between good and evil. That's the ONLY way they have become like God. I know your religion teaches you something different. Sorry...Mormons will NOT be gods someday. No way. That's false.
Good question, one I would agree that those suggestions may have been netter.
But I wasn’t addressing that.
I believe you are mistaken. The pastor is not a Mormon. But his prayer was soemthing a world council of churches would quickly endorse for its ‘inclusiveness’ in praying for the nation to be ‘one nation under gods’. Listen to the last paragraph of his prayer, he says just that, ‘one nation under gods.’
During his time in Athens, Paul was disturbed by an altar bearing
the inscription: “To The Unknown God.” Sadly, I see that altar as
a picture of today’s America. Our diversity culture seeks to adopt
all “truth” into one collective truth so that there ultimately is
no real truth.
- Jonathan Falwell
I wasn’t arguing specific points of doctrine or context of what was said in the prayer or in the scriptures. The Bible quotes were intentionally not applicable. I don’t care what the pastor meant and the meaning of the quoted Bible verses has nothing to do with my point. My point was that the message was more important than the words used in the message and that applies to the rally and the Bible. Case in point: Biblegateway.com where I got the quotes, boasts over 100 translations of the Bible. The message is still good.
Freeper rogue yam said “I think that those here who think that he is ever in this prayer intentionally uttering the word “Gods” and meaning it in a plural sense are mistaken.”
To elaborate what i said in reply #67, I agree with rogue yam and the others who think it is due to a verbal tic, and it is also an acoustic effect concerning the consonants “d” “t” and “s”.
It sounds like he’s using a “t” sound at the end of God, like Gaah-t, and noticeably also in the word blood at 8:36 which sounds like bluh-t.
The “t” sound is also then extended slightly in time and emphasized at the end of the word, the way preachers sometimes do on final consonants, making it sound similar to a “ts” sound (like when you mimic the sound of something sizzling you’d go “tsssss”, but shorter in duration in this case). So it sounds like Gaah-ts.
Also, this “ts” sizzle sound effect could be increased because microphones often are built to emphasize (boost) the frequencies in the 8,000-10,000 Hz range where the “t” and “s” sounds are.
Unfortunately, for you Jmouse007 and for Free Republic, I believe that this thread is a mistake.
My advice to you, EVERY HEAD BOWED AND EVERY EYE CLOSED. Next time someone is praying take that opportunity to lift up the event speakers.
He is the pastor of a Nondenominational New Testament Church.
He's from the East and their diction is really strange to us Southerner's.
Dude. The pastor is not a Mormon. Get a mitt and get in the game.
I misread the original poster's text and thought he said the guy was a Mormon. The use of "gods" lined up with that reading even though it was incorrect.
You are correct, we are not to pray to “gods” but to the one true God.
I heard it to, but I figured that the speaker just had an accent (I’ve heard people from NYC and England make an “S” sound where a “T” is in a word....especially if it’s at the end of the word.
However, you may be onto something here.
It’s a shame because from most appearances Glenn Beck did a very good thing with this rally.
Matthew 6
King James Version
1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:
4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.
5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
The website for his church shows:
“We welcome you to The New Testament Church web site. Our desire is to serve you with the gifts and resources that the Lord has given us so that you can have a personal relationship with your Creator through Jesus Christ His Son and grow in your walk with Him.”
Sounds like it was just an accent.
I just didn’t want to see the pastor vilified when was a lot to do about nothing.
Sounds pretty Mormon to me. How about the Godesses?
The only problem with your theory is that he pronounced "God" three different times and just as loudly as later on in his prayer one right after another without any problem at all. He only began praying to the "gods" when he began addressing "the LORD gods".
Believe me, I took no pleasure in posting this but the recroded evidence seems to clearly indicate that after saying "God" three times he went on to pray to the "gods" throughout the remainder of his prayer.
It should also be noted that throughout the entire prayer, Pastor Jehle did not have a problem mistakingly turning the singular of ANY OTHER WORD into a plural. The ONLY exception was the word God. After saying "God," properly THREE TIMES without any lisp, verbal click, tick, "th," Ssss, or problem, he went on throughout the remainder of his "prayer" to call upon the "gods" (plural) at least SEVEN or EIGHT times!
You are very sure of yourself, however you may be spreading false information. Why don't you try verifying it like it was suggested in reply #55? Pastors are not usually unapproachable people.
Here’s the guys church:
Senior Pastor:
Dr. Paul Jehle, Ed.D
Why don’t you email him and ask him to clarify what he said. If he is a “all gods are one” type guy, he’s probably not going to hid it.
Rather than speculate, just ask the guy.
I did NOT know that is what Mormonism teaches. I know that is not what we (Christians) believe. However, having gone to parochial school for 5 years with a strong catechism, I still remember, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit (actually, back then it was the Holy Ghost). Thanks for the Mormon info. Was the man who gave the prayer Mormon, or do you think that he said it for Glenn?
ROFL!!
Thanks... I plan to steal that phrase.
Of all the things to get exercised over.... wow. We have GOT to move forward together, under God.
Did you check out Pastor Jehles’ church website?
From the “What We Believe” page...
The Nature of God
We believe in one God, eternally existent in three Persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
http://207.200.19.180/images/10000/4000/380TH/user/WhatWeBelieve.pdf
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