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Possible bill in NH regarding body scanners - Requesting FR Comment
Personal Communication | 11-18-2010 | AlmaKing

Posted on 11/18/2010 9:20:10 AM PST by AlmaKing

I contacted my local state reps and senator in New Hampshire and expressed my concerns with the new TSA regulations - the body scan and patdown. I asked if there was anything that could be done at the state level.

I have two responses that I'd like to have the FR community comment on before I reply back. I know FR commenters make a lot of great suggestions, so I will forward those on to the reps.

I've kept the reps' names anonymous for now. I didn't seek their permission to post.

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First Response

Thanks for the inquiry. I read somewhere, and I'm still trying to find where, that some states have taken the first steps to stop this. We should also. When I find the information I will get back to you. The rules come down from the federal government, but sometimes states can opt out of having to require this of its citizens. That raises the question of leaving here on a plane, but then what happens when you return from another state?

I'll keep looking. Thanks for writing us.

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Second Response

Hi, All,

I know of one rep who is planning to introduce a bill to ban whole body scanners in NH until a public health official certifies that the radiation they emit is not, alone or cumulatively, harmful to human health. Because TSA and their activities are federal, as is the regulation of airports, I am think of introducing a concurrent resolution requesting TSA (and perhaps asking Congress to order TSA) to employ software on all its whole body scanners that converts the current realistic image (including genitalia) into one that shows the location of suspicious items on an idealized human body. Such software exists and is currently being tested on whole body scanners. Were it employed, the invasion of privacy issue would disappear, as would the need for sexually invasive pat-downs (except, of course, for those whose whole body scan revealed suspicious bulges).

Any thoughts?


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Government; US: New Hampshire; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: bodyscanner; newhampshire; tsa; tsapervs; vanity
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Ok, Freepers. Here's our chance for direct input to state reps and senator regarding new TSA policies.

Thanks, AK.

1 posted on 11/18/2010 9:20:15 AM PST by AlmaKing
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To: AlmaKing

We already have a law. It’s called improper search and seizure.

Better to have the U.S. put forth a bill.

Even better to have AG sue Feds.


2 posted on 11/18/2010 9:27:11 AM PST by fruser1
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To: AlmaKing
While sympathetic to your views, are there actually any flights which originate and terminate in New Hampshire? I rather doubt it.

ObaMao's TSA is simply going to invoke the interstate commerce clause to override whatever restrictions you may pass in your state legislature.

Were a state such as ours (which actually has rather well-used flight lanes between Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, Philadelphia and Harrisburg and more) to pass such a restriction, then they would have to come up with a more creative legal argument.

3 posted on 11/18/2010 9:27:11 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: AlmaKing

We already have a law. It’s called improper search and seizure.

Better to have the U.S. reps put forth a bill.

Even better to have AG sue Feds.


4 posted on 11/18/2010 9:27:34 AM PST by fruser1
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To: AlmaKing

The latter is not bad, but useless when they exempt Muslim women from complete patdowns and cannot detect items in body cavities (or surgically implanted). Until they do that nothing is serious.

For the STATED goal...


5 posted on 11/18/2010 9:31:44 AM PST by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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To: AlmaKing

Profiling works better that angering Grandmas.


6 posted on 11/18/2010 9:32:40 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: AlmaKing
""

"Just before they try to pat you down"

Ask them if they are or have ever been on the National Sex Offender Registry.

Ask them their sexual orientation.

Print this out and ask them to read it out loud and swear that they understand its meaning:

“Under 18 U.S. Code Section 2244, “ ‘sexual contact’ means the intentional touching, either directly or through the clothing, of the genitalia, anus, groin, breast, inner thigh or buttocks of any person with an intent to abuse, humiliate, harass, degrade.”

Tell them that if they break the law, they WILL be on the Register and living in a cardboard box.

7 posted on 11/18/2010 9:33:19 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Vigilanteman

I have flown into and out of NH. Manchester.


8 posted on 11/18/2010 9:33:27 AM PST by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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To: AlmaKing

I’d say that we are Americans, dammit, and WE are not the enemy!

Tell the gov’t that we need to adopt the Israeli method of airline screening, which is to screen those who are an actual threat through the effective and realistic method of.....here it comes....too obvious for gov’t dolts to think of on their own....kind of un-PC for weak-kneed politicians....

PROFILING OF THOSE WHO FIT THE PATTERN OF THE TERRORIST THREAT!!!


9 posted on 11/18/2010 9:34:40 AM PST by TheConservativeParty (TSA Slogan "You won't see London,you won't see France,until we see your underpants.")
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To: Vigilanteman

We have Manchester (MHT) airport. Yes, we have flights going just about anywhere domestically. I travel to San Diego, Denver, Cary NC, New Orleans, etc. Most major airlines are here.

We ain’t that far behind. Come on now.


10 posted on 11/18/2010 9:34:43 AM PST by AlmaKing
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To: Vigilanteman

“While sympathetic to your views, are there actually any flights which originate and terminate in New Hampshire?”

Manchester. Big airport.


11 posted on 11/18/2010 9:35:02 AM PST by DBrow
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To: Paladin2

Good idea.


12 posted on 11/18/2010 9:36:25 AM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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"The Manchester Airport in Manchester NH (official name - Manchester - Boston Regional Airport) is conveniently located in central New Hampshire in the city of Manchester, New Hampshire's largest city.

The Manchester airport is a very clean, modern facility with excellent security, plenty of offsite long-term parking areas with shuttles from the parking lots, and plenty of hotels and restaurants within 1.5 miles of the airport. There are also shuttles to and from the hotels near Manchester Airport. Check out the visitor information we collected about the Manchester Airport:"

Get your intuition reset and recalibrated.

13 posted on 11/18/2010 9:36:25 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: AlmaKing
Airlines are private sector, shareholder owned businesses. Airlines shift the cost of operations to local governments in the form of subsidized airports. Airlines shift the cost of airline security to the federal government. Airlines make money by shifting the cost of these “safety externalities” to the public. Then, airlines sell tickets to absolutely Everyone. On-line or off. Terrorists or not (remember, all 9-11 terrorists bought tickets as did the shoe bomber, etc). Airlines sell tickets to anyone and then provide the mechanical means of destruction. Airlines shift the cost of figuring out who is a terroist to gov and public. So... why not hold airlines responsible for the negligent behavior of selling a ticket to someone who will use airline property as a lethal weapon? Hold the airlines responsible and force them to profile, screen, ect before selling a ticket. As airlines are not governments, the 4th Amendment against screening, profiling, etc won't apply. Then, airlines will have to carefully screen passengers at their own cost before selling a ticket or face massive tort claims and government action for aiding and abetting terrorism. Then, a simple metal scanner at the airport is all that would be necessary. SHIFT THE BURDEN TO THE FOR PROFIT AIRLINES, NOT THE PUBLIC. These profiteers should be force to pay to capture their own externalities.
14 posted on 11/18/2010 9:36:46 AM PST by April Lexington (Study the Constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: AlmaKing

What you can do is refuse and get everyone else to refuse and get everyone else to interfere with the arrests.
Do not pay.
Resist, rebel, repeal.
You can win in a day if you will not be moved and say the law is no law.
That is how laws change. They don’t change laws that are generally obeyed.


15 posted on 11/18/2010 9:38:09 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (REPEAL WASHINGTON! -- Islam Delenda Est! -- I Want Constantinople Back. -- Rumble thee forth.)
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To: AlmaKing

I think that Automated Threat Detection can work, it will not display a “nude” body. We’d need to be sure that the raw image stays in the machine and no human could see it.

I’ve seen such systems, they paint colored pixels on a generalized mannekin figure.

A step further would be to have a computer merely indicate “anomaly” and the scanned person would then get a secondary inspection (to include set, demeanor, appropriateness of responses, as well as pat downs). But I suspect the alarm rate would be high.

A machine really can’t do the job people can do. Machines won’t keep us safe.


16 posted on 11/18/2010 9:38:59 AM PST by DBrow
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To: Paladin2

It’s always irked me how Boston managed to get its name on the airport title. They’ve got Logan, they can stay down there. :)


17 posted on 11/18/2010 9:43:35 AM PST by AlmaKing
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To: sionnsar

You cannot depart MHT (manchester NH airport) and land at a destination in NH.

Unless you’re flying some small private plane


18 posted on 11/18/2010 9:43:45 AM PST by wilco200 (11/4/08 - The Day America Jumped the Shark)
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To: DBrow

Maybe that kind of detection would work, but there’s the radiology aspect of this as well.

Even if they filter the end image you are still being scanned w/equipment that needs to be calibrated.

Radiologists check and calibrate their equipment all the time.

TSA so qualified? I doubt it.

So, when it’s working correctly your exposure is indeed minimal.

Problem is that when the clowns screw up the calibration, you may as well be sitting in a microwave oven, albeit on “low”.


19 posted on 11/18/2010 9:47:05 AM PST by fruser1
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To: AlmaKing

U.S. Rep. John Mica, R-Winter Park, has sent a letter to the heads of more than 150 airports across the country, suggesting that they opt out of Transportation Security Administration screening.

Mica is in line to become chairman of the U.S. House Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure.


20 posted on 11/18/2010 9:48:04 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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