Posted on 06/04/2011 10:32:13 AM PDT by GonzoII
So, I may be about to get Dick Morris on you, but my official prediction is that Obama will be facing either Romney or Palin in 2012. If Palin does not end up running, Mitt Romney wins the nomination.
First, if Sarah Palin does not run, Mitt Romney will be the nominee. I believe she will but, but of course many in the establishment see “no signs” that she is interested in such a race. Polling suggest that, surprisingly, Mitt Romney has the most to gain by Palin sitting out. Conventional wisdom suggests otherwise as Romney and Palin do not share the same power base. But polling tells a different story. A Public Policy Poll released yesterday shows the race tied at 16% for both Palin and Romney. Pawlenty and Cain follow close behind at 13% and 12%. But with a Palin exit, Romney goes from a tie with Palin and a 3% and 4% edge over the next two contenders and jumps to a 7 point lead over his closest 3 challengers (Bachmann, Pawlenty, Gingrich).
The big issue is, Palin voters have no clear second choice and split evenly among the field. Cain, who you might think would benefit most, fails to pick up a single point. Pawlenty also fails to pick up any of her support. Yet Romney, Gingrich, and Bachmann each pick up a tidy 4% a piece. Romney’s 4% helps him distance himself from Pawleny and Cain, while Bachmann and Gingrich’s 4% leaves them at the same 7% deficit they were at with Palin in the race. A CNN poll done at the same time showed similar results. Romney (19%) and Palin (15%) led the field with Paul back 6 points behinf Romney, and Gingrich and Cain back 8 points. With palin out, Romney’s lead grew 2% against the nearest competitor, Paul, who picked up nothing by a Palin exit. Cain still trailed by 8 points, and Gingrich slapped back to a 9 point defecit. And since I mentioned Dick Morris, I’ll throw in his numbers. He had Romney at 25%, Palin at 16%, and Gingrich at 11%. Without Palin, Romney grew to 30%, Gingrich to 15%, and everyone else less than 7%. So even here, a 9 Point race with palin in, became a 15-point race with her out.
When Huckabee left the race, Sarah Palin became the logical choice for most of his supporters. But Palin voters do not have a logical second home. There is Bachmann, who is basically a poor-man’s Palin. Cain is a tough one because they like what he says and his passion, but lacks the experience and where was he in 2010? Then there’s Gingrich who has been equally villified as Palin, but more deservedly so. And then there’s Romney, the guy “who can win.”
If Palin Runs as expected, it will be a close race to the finish between the two of them. So, why is Palin the only one who can derail Romney? First, see the above portion. When voters do not vote for Palin (so even is she runs but loses steam) her support drifts to Romney more than anybody else. With Palin in the race, voters will be forced to decide whether to coalesce around one conservative candidate and win, or break apart into multiple factions and hand the nomination to Romney.
Sarah Palin voters do not have a clear second candidate, and it is difficult for any of the candidates to sufficiently distinguish themselves from the others in a big enough fashion. For instance, if a Palin voter decides to go for another candidate, there is no real reason to choose a Cain over a Bachmann, Pawlenty, or Gingrich. Does one have significantly more ground support than the other? Can one raise more money than the other? All are clearly playing to the same base, but how can they separate themselves in enough of a fashion to catch up to Romney?
However, Palin has a much easier and, possibly only, road to victory. For starters, Palin is already tied with or within the Margin of Error of Mitt Romney. My guess is that she will probably even surpass him in some polls that take place after her current and well-received Road Trip. So she doesn’t have as much work to do as the other candidates. She is also the natural beneficiary of conservative voters deciding to get behind one candidate. She is easily the most popular among Very Conservative voters, who are typically the most active at this stage, and Tea Party activists. Because Palin has the largest grassroots capabilities, the best ability to raise funds, and has been the leading vocal opponent to Obama for the past 3 years, she is an easy, natural choice. It is more likely that a Cain supporter would fall towards Palin than Bachmann, and a Bachmann supporter to fall towards palin than Gingrich.
The irony is by running, Palin helps the entire non-Romney field by keeping Romney in the mid-teens in support and within a close distance to all of the candidates. By not running, she actually hurts the other candidates, and Romney benefits.
Can this change if Palin does not run? Can another candidate step up?
I don’t think so. The clear fact is that none of the candidates will be able to raise enough money to take on Romney and will not be able to generate enough ground support to take him on. At this stage, you are down 15 points if Palin is not in. How can you catch up? Huckabbe was unable to overcome the same problem in 2008. Other problems arise: Herman Cain has yet to be vetted, and has had little negative mention in the news. This will change if he continues to generate decent support. Remember, Cain had a daily radio show and there are hundreds of hours of tape just waiting to be sifted through. He has said (but walked back) a few controversial things on the campaign trail, and who knows what he has said on air? Bachmann gets unfairly compared to Sarah Palin based simply on gender. But in many ways, Bachmann actually is what the media has said Palin is. Whereas the media turns harmless Palin statements into controversies, Bachmann actually says controversial things. Her “Tea Party” state of the union address was over the top and stepped on the feet of Paul Ryan unneccesarily. And whereas Sarah Palin actually has a lot of experience, Bachmann has a resume that is less impressive than Obama’s. Finally, none of the candidates have been put through the ringer the way Palin, and yes, even Romney has. Palin has been searched every which way possible, so there is little new information that can be uncovered about her. Romney has been and is being seriously vetted by conservatives. But bachmann, Cain, and Gingrich are just a treasure trove of possible surprises waiting to happen. There may be nothing, but there is always something.
Not finding much useful in this article. Palin can beat Mitt but so can and will others. Mitt is old news and will not win. The guy is also misinformed when he says: “Cain is a tough one because they like what he says and his passion, but lacks the experience and where was he in 2010?”
Where was he in 2010? Speaking at tea parties all over the nation. Where were YOU Mr. Author? Sheesh: if you’re gonna put yourself out there as a pundit, at least know as much as the average political junkie.
Pawlenty? Oh, please. The guy's a finger-in-the-wind milquetoast without the courage of what convictions he may have, and evidence of his having any is rather thin on the ground.
So, no, TPaw (guffaw) is in no way, shape nor form a tea party candidate, far from it. He typically brings up the rear of the establishment troika touted daily on FR and elsewhere.
This ‘pollinsider’ is reliably very good.
Note also, how the usual Beltway RINOs—Will, Krauthammer, and then everyone who parroted them—got it exactly backwards.
Palin didn’t, however. And she stepped in just in the nick of time.
“So, no, TPaw (guffaw) is in no way, shape nor form a tea party candidate, far from it. He typically brings up the rear of the establishment troika touted daily on FR and elsewhere.”
Okay.
He’s Newted himself, just not in a dramatic fashion. But then again, everything Romney does is boring.
((crickets))
I’m not part of The Toaster contingent, but I agree with you because I think Romney has BEEN toast for a while, maybe forever.
Seen on Twitter:
“Scooch over, Newt, so I can sit on that loveseat with you and Nancy, too.
Hey there were nearly 200 people present when he said that. :)
She can and WILL win, if she runs! Tragically, f she does not, there is no one with the popularity, money and star power to derail him. America needs a stark choice between Communism and liberty in 201. Bob
There are simply too many good candidates who will split the early votes, and then the survivor(s) will have NO chance to head him off later. Romney WILL win, and our country will be on an inexorable path to tyranny.
Exactly. bttt
The word Only. Palin can help derail Romney by an endorsement, but that's OUR job as voters and activists. We need to be our own leaders and send him home. We don't need anybody to tell us to do it.
First, if Sarah Palin does not run, Mitt Romney will be the nominee.
Says who? Will be? Mitt Romney could not be John McCain, despite being the establishment pick in 2008. Romney was the establishment pick, not McCain. The grassroots was split. Now Romney could win from a split grassroots, but a lot of people just don't like Romney, even in his birthstate of Michigan, where he did not get 45% in a almost two-way with many protest votes primary.
Also, this is June. We have the Ames poll, Mackinac Conference, other conferences, and six months before our first primary/caucus races. Cain is not well known. Yet. Pawlenty is bland, but he may catch on when people remember Newt's scandals.
Bachmann was a tax attorney and basically a community organizer for pro-life causes. I'd put that above Obama as Acorn's attorney and mouth runner. Political experience is about the same.
* Cain's hours of potentially problematic talk-radio tape
Cain's a talk radio host. It's all on tape somewhere. I didn't hear anything bad from the one time I heard it in Georgia, but something might be there. I don't know.
It's a helluva lot harder than being a con-law adjunct lecturer or Acorn's attorney (as part of a large group).
ROFLOL, not running, not going to.
That lookalike was better than I thought!
If you go back to the lookalike pictures from a few days ago, Palin is indeed the one in the faded red T-shirt. The fake Palin is IIRC formally dressed in a red blazer :0)
I could have sworn, lol.
Nevermind.
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