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Herman Cain: For low-income families, it’ll be 9-0-9 (for those at or below the poverty level)
Hotair ^ | 10/21/2011 | Tina Korbe

Posted on 10/21/2011 1:13:18 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: alice_in_bubbaland

They will pay something under the NRST.

And not all “lower levels” are exempted. Only those at or below the poverty line.

If welfare benefits and food stamps are counted as taxable income under 999, which they should be, very few of what we presently call “the poor” will be below the poverty line.

They will have to pay 9% on their welfare benefits, effectively an entitlement spending cut. That’s a good thing.


41 posted on 10/21/2011 2:39:00 PM PDT by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Wow, sorry for the duplicate posts. That was some kind of mouse fart, for sure!


42 posted on 10/21/2011 2:40:14 PM PDT by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Looks like Herman is tweaking at least two major issues today. Taxes and abortion.

First it was 999. Now its 909, or 999/909! LOL What’s next week?

Enough already, Herman. Go with the flat tax. The fair tax is a dog.


43 posted on 10/21/2011 2:40:29 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: SeekAndFind

This 9-9-9 thing has got to go. Any tax system which can be tweaked and generally f***ed around with will in short order expand beyond reason.

10% flat tax...AT MOST, with no witholding.


44 posted on 10/21/2011 2:47:50 PM PDT by dinodino
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To: fightinJAG

I know the flat tax plans I’ve seen had the tax on everything over x amount, depending on the author. That may be doable, but I guess we’ll have to keep the army of IRS agents to go after the “tax cheats” on whatever exemption(s) are allowed.


45 posted on 10/21/2011 2:47:50 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

I’d eliminate all exemptions and witholding. The flat tax could be filed on a postcard.


46 posted on 10/21/2011 2:49:54 PM PDT by dinodino
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To: Scotsman will be Free

The army won’t be as big!

A standard deduction is not complicated or hard to enforce.


47 posted on 10/21/2011 2:49:54 PM PDT by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

P.S. I know you don’t love what we have now more!


48 posted on 10/21/2011 2:50:52 PM PDT by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Brother Herman needs to stop this thinking out loud stuff.
He sounds like a female, changing his mind a couple of times a day... at least.


49 posted on 10/21/2011 2:55:49 PM PDT by La Enchiladita
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To: SeekAndFind; All

BTW, while I don’t think it’s any surprise that there would be an income exclusion or standard deduction for an amount at or below the poverty level, if people want to “blame” someone for this, they ought to considering blaming Michele Bachmann.

While I appreciate all Bachmann has done for the conservative movement, her pathetic wailing that 999 with “hurt the poor the most” had to not only get on Cain’s last nerve (as he said in an interview), but it had to make conservatives seriously trying to get major tax reform passed shake their heads and think:

“Good grief. If we’re going to end up taking such potshots from people such as Bachmann on the Right, who supposedly is really in sync with the Tea Party, we have no choice but to parlay to fend off her criticism that only energizes the Left.”

Really: when you have one of the candidates running as an ultra-conservative start wailing Lefty talking points — this “hurts the poor the most”??, with no understanding of how the poor and ALL of us are helped by 999 — what are you supposed to do? Let that stand, and let Bachmann’s ill-advised and ill-founded debate zingers get entrenched and sink the entire effort?

Thanks, Michele. NOT.


50 posted on 10/21/2011 2:59:06 PM PDT by fightinJAG (NO REPRESENTATION WITHOUT TAXATION! Everyone should pay taxes, everyone should pay the same rate.)
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To: SeekAndFind

This would be a disincentive to work. Bummer.


51 posted on 10/21/2011 3:06:43 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: SeekAndFind

This thing won’t be recognizable by the first primary.


52 posted on 10/21/2011 3:20:33 PM PDT by BfloGuy (Even the opponents of Socialism are dominated by socialist ideas.)
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To: fightinJAG
Oh pleeeeeeeeeeeeease! Stop making excuses for this abomination of a plan and Cain!

Supposedly, this was in the plan from the beginning.

There are also many exemptions for businesses and people working and/or living in "deprived" places like DETROIT! Ergo, the 9-9-9plan is NOT for everyone. And as far as I can tell, welfare and SSI payments will be exempt as well.

This plan has ALWAYS stunk on ice! Cain appears to neither know what is in it and is incapable of explaining it clearly, not to mention the fact that it does keep on changing. Thrown in the fact that presidents do NOT write tax laws ( so it has to originate in the House, get passed there, then get sent to the Senate, revised and passed there, sent back to the House, etc., before it gets to the desk of the president !), so throw out his claim that he will write it so that 2/3 of Congress has to vote before raising the taxes crapola.....that won't ever see the light of day;much less the plan as now stated!

And FWIW............the level at which "poverty level" is set, keeps on going up and up and up.

53 posted on 10/21/2011 3:21:18 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: ctdonath2

I remember him saying something about putting
his idea out there to be discussed...
That’s why I liked him, he stepped up to the plate,
he’s willing to open discussion on fixing a problem.
I consider him to be reasonable and to listen and
learn from other’s ideas. So put on your thinking
cap and throw some positive ideas into the pot.


54 posted on 10/21/2011 3:26:08 PM PDT by savage woman
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To: fightinJAG
Unless we have solid conservative majorities in both houses and the white house, I can never see the "poor" paying a dime in any kind of taxes. Will the Earned Income Tax Credit still exist? If so, that will just be expanded to make sure that they get every dime back plus a little extra for the aggravation of having to pay the sales tax to begin with.

I've watched this monstrosity grow ever since Nixon proposed it, Ford signed it into law and it has increased under every administration since, without exception.

If we ever get conservatives in large enough numbers, then perhaps we may hope that everybody has to pay at least some taxes. I say "conservatives" because just look at the Senate now with Brown, Collins, Kirk, Snowe, you may add to the list and therein is the problem, all named are as liberal as they come and all have the big "R" behind their names.

Rant off. I guess I'm just feeling pessimistic tonight. I want Obama out of office so badly I can taste it. I can't even look at his dumb communist ass/face on tv anymore.

55 posted on 10/21/2011 5:22:28 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Of course Obama loves his country but Herman Cain loves mine.)
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To: SeekAndFind
no income tax for those at or below the poverty level was always a part of Cain’s plan — but that at least was not a commonly known detail of it.

It's been commonly known to anyone who has spent ten seconds listening to Cain explain the plan.

Where does Hot Air get these people? Do they take the first College Republican wannabe they could find? The writers there are getting as stupid as the commenters - and they've had some of the DUMBEST commenters you'll ever find on a righty blog for the longest time.
56 posted on 10/21/2011 7:37:32 PM PDT by MitchellC
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To: traditional1

You’re letting media dimwits and know-nothing high school bloggers manipulate you. Go straight to the source. Nothing has changed about the plan.


57 posted on 10/21/2011 7:40:21 PM PDT by MitchellC
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To: nopardons
it does keep on changing.

Examples?
58 posted on 10/21/2011 7:44:30 PM PDT by MitchellC
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To: MitchellC

Explain what....that where the poverty level is today is higher than where it used to be?


59 posted on 10/21/2011 7:54:07 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: fightinJAG

Well said.

Bachmann has exposed herself. Thank God she imploded as soon as she did.

Every single candidate at that debate tried to demagogue this plan using liberal talking points that sounded like they were written by Media Matters. It’s obvious that Cain is the cream of this crop.


60 posted on 10/21/2011 8:00:42 PM PDT by MitchellC
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