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Now the Forestry Dept is needing quarter million rounds of ammo (?)
fbo.gob ^ | 08/23/2012 | fbo.gov

Posted on 08/26/2012 1:29:21 PM PDT by autumnraine

Ammunition Solicitation Number: AG-91S8-S-12-0031 Agency: Department of Agriculture Office: Forest Service Location: R-5 Pacific Southwest Region

"DELIVERY IS IMPORTANT. AMMO NEEDED WITHIN 30 DAYS."

PDF link at site.


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KEYWORDS: ammo; forest; forestservice
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To: null and void
Ah, I see. You used the ones in reply 51 and not the other one.
Those two had huge url's.
61 posted on 08/26/2012 4:42:22 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
BTW, the military having ammunition and Federal domestic "policing" agencies having ammunition are two vastly different things.
62 posted on 08/26/2012 4:46:22 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: autumnraine

If this is true you’d think at least a few government employees, such as forrest rangers, would go public. Unless they’re all robots.


63 posted on 08/26/2012 5:10:35 PM PDT by Terry Mross (To all my relatives and former friends: Do not contact me if you still love obama.)
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To: AdaGray
“Maybe they are trying to dry up the civilian supply of ammo.”

You might be onto something there. Not with this buy, but with some of the other big buys. I have gone through over 30,000 primers just for fun and practice in the last two or three years. I can easily assemble a thousand cartridges in a day on my turret press and twice that many on my progressive.

My beautiful bride and I go through at least a couple hundred rounds every time we go to the range. That's only about $10 worth when you cast your own pistol bullets. We have shot hundreds more than that on numerous occasions. Sometimes it takes a lot of shots to get her trigger finger tired.

I prefer to think that instead of spending $50 or a $100 on ammo... that we have just saved hundreds of dollars by reloading our own cartridges.

64 posted on 08/26/2012 5:29:01 PM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: Stonewall Jackson

People are confusing the US Forest Service (USFS, Dept of Agriculture) with the National Park Service (NPS, Dept of Interior) National Parks do have LEO Rangers, but the US Forest Service has very few of them and many are not armed. National Parks are completely different than National Forests.

This ammo order if for the USFS (Dept of Agriculture) NOT National Park Rangers.

And who is using/needing 12,000 rounds of .380 ACP?

It almost looks as if somebody in the USFS Vallejo (CA) office is buying ammo for their own personal use?


65 posted on 08/26/2012 5:52:28 PM PDT by rjamesca (Been there, done that . . .)
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To: rjamesca

Whoops! My mistake. Thank you for the correction.


66 posted on 08/26/2012 5:59:52 PM PDT by Stonewall Jackson ("I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy.")
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To: fireman15

Thanks for this. I have always wanted to get into loading but never had the time. Sounds like a good idea. Are the bullets you cast as accurate as the ‘store bought’ ones?


67 posted on 08/27/2012 4:26:25 AM PDT by AdaGray
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To: 5Madman2
Probably an end of Fiscal Year buy-they need to expend the funds before Sept 30

That's all well and good but it's something more than mere coincidence that all these departments happened upon ammo to finish off their 2011 budget. None needed copy paper or office chairs?

68 posted on 08/27/2012 5:45:30 AM PDT by bgill
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To: AdaGray
Are the bullets you cast as accurate as the ‘store bought’ ones?

It depends on the application. For maximum accuracy non-jacketed bullets need to have a hardness that matches the amount of pressure you put behind them. Bullets that deform just the right amount going down the barrel actually perform better than store bought jacketed bullets.

It is difficult to make a non-jacketed cast bullet hard enough to match the pressures developed by a truly high powered cartridge. Although straight wheel weight alloy dropped into a bucket of water gives just about the right hardness for a 7.62x39 bullet. You can vary the hardness by by altering your alloy and/or heat treating. For cartridges with room for more powder such as .308, 762x54, and 30-06, you pretty much have to reduce the amount of powder or you will end up with poor performance and lead left in your barrel. I have a tool that measures the hardness of my bullets. There is a pretty wide range of pressures developed even in pistol cartridges.

Of course for maximum accuracy it is also good to sort your cast bullets by weight and inspect for casting defects.

69 posted on 08/27/2012 10:53:45 AM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: null and void; OwenKellogg

Hey, PEA-pul! Stuff happens out in the woods. I’m sure there’s a perfectly logical explanation for this. Haven’t you ever heard of crazed, lunatic beavers?! :)

Http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/09/06/it-bit-me-so-bad-says-virginia-woman-83-mauled-by-rabid-beaver/


70 posted on 09/07/2012 4:16:18 PM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: Nita Nupress; null and void

Well, if the Forestry Dept. had only said the 250,000 rounds of ammo was for rabid beavers, this would not have ended up on the NJCT ping list.

Good to see you.


71 posted on 09/07/2012 5:17:14 PM PDT by OwenKellogg
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