Posted on 02/14/2013 6:21:43 AM PST by KeyLargo
Edited on 02/14/2013 9:25:10 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
Police in Christopher Dorner standoff launched incendiary tear gas into cabin
By CHUCK BENNETT and DAVID K. LI From Post Wires Last Updated: 6:14 AM, February 14, 2013
Murderous ex-cop Christopher Jordan Dorner wanted to go out in a blaze of glory — and the sheriff’s deputies who surrounded his California mountain hideout provided the flames.
The San Bernardino County cops torched the wooden cabin with highly flammable “incendiary tear gas” as Dorner took refuge Tuesday, apparently burning him to a crisp.
“Burn this mf--er!” one officer shouted as they had Dorner — who had earlier killed a deputy and seriously wounded another — pinned down in the cabin, according to police radio transmissions.
Amid sounds of gunfire, voices can be head shouting, “Burn it down!” and “Shoot the gas!”
Excerpt, read more at nypost
It's the same cheap, emotional tactic to shut down debate when they know they're losing. I think they took away the wrong lesson from watching al sharpton all these years.
If he was smart he’d have used camouflage after a sorts.
If he dressed as a bum and hid out among the vagrants he’d have had an easy stay there.
He’d just have had to hide his gear somewhere he could make secure.
Instead, he went to a bottleneck area.
Brilliant!
Exactly. We'd better all build with steel reinforced concrete from now on. It's harder to "accidently" light.
I guarantee not one cop from the SBCSO or from any other jurisdiction will cross the “thin blue line” and rat out who made the decision to burn. Thus proving Dorner’s accusations.
It’s getting really hard on these Chris P. Dorner threads to assume you don’t need a < /sarc > tag.
;-)
I'm not supporter of Dorner by any stretch of the imagination, but it does seem the LEOs were REALLY anxious to incinerate that place. How did they KNOW only Dorner was in there? Was proper due diligence accomplished first? My concern is the "authorities" are now emboldened to pull this tactic repeatedly in the future... will it only be against someone like Dorner, or will the definition of "immediate threat to the safety of others" be broadened to include anyone who voices opposition to the ruling elite?
Dorner got Koreshed by the San Burnanegro Sheriff’s Dept....
No, they won’t.
Probably due to retaliation.
But you can bet that interdepartmental/jurisdictional distrust may be evident at future events.
Especially if the event involves family of an officer.
During the standoff I was watching NBC4 out of LA. They interviewed two people live. One was a person who lived near the cabin. The other lived near the house where he had taken the people hostage.
In both instances, when asked a leading question about being relieved the ordeal was over, these residents had the same answer. They were relieved because they could now rest easy that the police wouldn’t hurt them....they viewed the police as a much greater threat to their safety than Dorner.
Think about that. The residents of this area were afraid of the police. More afraid of them than a homocidal maniac.
Dorner is a piece of crap, and I don’t support him.
However, I don’t like it when the police say the house accidentally caught fire (wink, wink, nudge, nudge, giggle)...when we all know they deliberately caught it on fire. That would fall into the category of the government lying to the people. And not just any government official, but the part of the government with the ability to use deadly force against its citizens. That scares the hell out of me.
I’m not going to celebrate the tactics at all. At least some of these police will have a conscience...and be haunted for the rest of their lives by how they ganged up on this guy to kill him like an animal.
I don’t think we know who fired the CS. I’m assuming it was the Sheriff’s dept since I believe they had jurisdiction.
Why is it bad PR to burn him alive if it’s all part of deadly force? If it’s bad enough PR that they can’t admit their intentional fire setting, should they have used a different tactic?
Dorner had NO where to run. My gripe is that they burned down the cabin when there was NO need to,
Having cocncerns about the police behavior in this case makes you a cop hating pro murdering liberal.
I’ve been told so by my FR brethren who wear tall shiny boots.
With his far left-wing manifesto, I was thinkin’ a big trial might’ve been fun to watch!
You said it, not me.
You are right. If Dorner the SUSPECT was found guilty in a court of law I would also say “burn the “MF’r”. BUT LE made sure he never got his day in court (What exactly was the reason for that?). The number of blood thirsty self appointed judges out here on FR is disturbing. I for one remember Ruby Ridge and Waco and don’t want MY LE acting as Judge Jury and executioner whenever they wish. That is NOT the way I want my country to work ... nor was it supposed to work that way at the founding. What these self appointed judges are doing is condoning a totalitarian police state ... cause that is where this will lead. Do I think Dorner was guilty ... probably but I don’t know all the facts. BUT one thing for sure ... LE made sure I would never heard Dorner’s side of things.
Deadly force is authorized to stop someone fleeing from a murder rape etc.
That is what the law says.
Dorner murdered a woman and her guy.
They were unrelated to the beef he had with teh LAPD other than the woman was the daughter of a cop.
Dorner was fleeing prosecution of that and showed a willingness to shoot first.
People are forgetting his innocent victims here in a rush to condemn the officers.
There are no heroes in this story.
There were several departments/jurisdictions on scene.
Quoted up to 2000 officer sin teh area plus at least one SWAT team.
But whose SWAT team?
It would be whoever the SWAT belonged to that one should question about the incendiaries.
ALL government, inherently, has the ability to use deadly force to impose its will on its citizens. That is why it must be vigorously contained by vigilant citizens.
We may be beyond the point where this is possible, though.
If the guy was half as smart as he thought he was, he would have been twice as dangerous. THEN going straight to burning him out once they cornered him would have made better sense.
What's the matter with those cops who had him surrounded? Did they get all civic-minded, deciding to save taxpayer's the costs of additional over-time wages, had they tried some less incendiary?
Questions should be asked. If we can limit ourselves to asking the right questions, carefully worded just so...perhaps something positve can be recovered from the results of the idiot's rampage.
Other than those he most likely did kill, that is... Those folks are still dead, I take it.
I don’ know the area, or the weather out there.
Or the cabins.
Considering hwo confused the reports were coming out of there, the tactical situation would have been more so.
They probably could have used a heavy round to punch through a wall and nail him.
All they had to do was localise where he was shooting from and riddle the area with heavy fire.
I have a feeling that SBSD had tried to run the show and when the other jurisdictions showed up, they tried to showboat and there was a complete breakdown of control.
Obviously, smoking building kinda shows a loss of control.
The only situation in which I can envision a smoking building being the proper outcome is in an artillery strike.
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