The first is that Russia has stirred all this crap up and has infiltrated Ukraine with hundreds of SpecOps inciting, arming and organizing ethnic Russians in an attempt to overthrow a legitimate Urkainian government.
The other is that a bunch of Western "Fascists", aided by NATO Security Services overthrew the legitimately elected government and are intent to mortgage Urkranian assets and culture to Berlin.
I have to admit I tend toward the second explanation, but also respect the perspective of others.
I will be looking forward to what Hillary has to say about this matter.
So far the Ukrainian military has been ineffective. If this offensive fails and the “separatists” remain in control of key areas of eastern Ukraine, a separate “republic” will be established and Russia will take control the way Turkey took part of Cyprus.
If I was in Ukraine, I might have some ability to sort out what side to be on. Since I’m not there, I don’t have a clue.
Anyone that thinks Russian operatives weren’t on the ground in the Ukraine, should rethink this issue. Okay, perhaps the West was hip deep in it. They wanted the Ukraine to align with the West economically, and Russian wanted it the other way around.
Did the E.U. line up troops on the Ukraine’s borders when the president favored Russia? Did the E.U. invade Russian space and annex it?
Did the E.U. demand the Ukraine split?
Sorry, I feel very little respect for Russia in all this.
Vlad can play innocent all he wants, and folks can damn the politics and protests all on the Ukraine and the West if they want. There is no equity here, when you get down to it.
Russia has been threatening military intervention. It already annexed Crimea. I’m not feeling all the love some folks are toward Russia.
Take the word “legitimate” out of your first premise (just to make it neutral on the question) and I’d say both are what is happening.
But no matter what there is a lesson to be learned here — participating in rebellions is dangerous activity.
If they lost control of "regions" there's a lot more to it than sneaky Russians infiltrating into the Ukraine.
Russia started this, they wanted a civil war, and it looks like they may get it. Sad.
I think Russia formented this unrest and then capitalized on it. I’m no fan of Russia.
And I will say this although I may get slammed for it...for those people wishing for CWII in this country, take a look at this conflict. It ain’t the 1860’s anymore. A third party could well be invited (or uninvited) to this country to “help out”.
The self-defense forces of eastern Ukraine are more than capable of holding their own.
Urban combat is not what armies like to do. In Stalingrad, during World War II, the German army was ground up like sausage as the Russians gave no quarter and made them fight for every inch of the city. We all know the outcome.
If the Maidan regime is foolish enough to try it - its downfall is simply a matter of time.
I’ve paid attention to the situation extremely closely since Fall of last year and done much research.
I believe meddling was and is being done on both sides ( Russia and the West ) but Russia’s security services ( GRU and FSB primarily ) have and are currently deeply imbedded in Ukraine government past and present.
Further, there is Yanukovych’s involvement via his ‘Family’ and criminal cohorts who are believed to be largely financing the ‘protests’ in the East and the South.
Regardless of where the money is coming from, Russia is coordinating and manufacturing instability with the main objectives of creating referendum votes and stopping the national May 25 vote.
Though there are legitimate grievances on both sides of Ukraine, the original student protests for the integration into the EU ( a fantasy for a very long time to come ) morphed into a fight for freedom, democracy, a government and businesses free from corruption/crime. Yes the West in general wanted closer ties to Europe and the East to maintain ties to Russia, BUT neither side wanted or even according to even recent polls want to split or join Russia.
Whatever will the little islamist do?
Dozens of pro-separatist people were burned to death today in a building hit with molotovs from right-sektor.
The police just watched. They were ready with shields ready to confront... the people being burned alive in the building.
This article just says people died in a fire.
I think this will have a big impact on the psychology of the region, and convince people of the need for self defense groups and separatism.
If dozens of pro-euro protesters were burned to death in the context of an attack by their political opponents and police, the reporting would be far different...
blueprint for what will happen in the US southwest and california.
What evidence do you have of that. What street videos I saw were unorganized and showed a lot of individual commitment and casualties. And I have NO DOUBT that Vlad is stoking the fire with spec ops.
If you for Russia and against the USA, please leave the USA and go to Russia, you are not welcome here.
The Russians are supplying MANPADS to their proxies and spetnazis.
Bush Urges NATO Membership for Ukraine, Georgia
We poked the bear, and now the bear has woken up.