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Ted Cruz called for legalizing illegal aliens in 2013
http://www.americanthinker.com ^ | November 13, 2016 | Ed Straker

Posted on 02/17/2016 9:43:23 AM PST by NKP_Vet

A rather astonishing video has surfaced courtesy of the Rick Santorum campaign showing Ted Cruz, apparently during a debate over Marco Rubio's Gang of 8 "Amnesty Bill," calling for a provision that would legalize all 11-plus million illegal aliens. He even used the liberal code phrase "out of the shadows." I encourage you to watch the video and see for yourself. Ted Cruz has stood for securing the border along with Donald Trump and Ben Carson, but he has been conspicuously silent on the issue of deporting illegals. I think the reason why is now clear. He doesn't want to deport them; he wants to legalize them. Now, Ted Cruz would be the first to say he doesn't want to give them a path to citizenship, but, realistically, once they are legalized, the left won't long tolerate a class of people here who don't have citizenship, and the left will act, through the judiciary or the executive, to legalize them. So...

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: amnesty; cruz; legalization
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To: NKP_Vet

Politicians who were arguing against illegal aliens have often tried to soften it or take the sting out of it by stressing that they were for increased “legal” immigration. That allowed them to stress that they weren’t anti-immigrant, just anti-”illegal”-immigrant. It didn’t really help, they would get accused of being racists, nativists, anti-immigrant, anyway. Similarly they would often try to soft-pedal it by going soft on the whole issue of deporting the people already here.

I actually struggled with that idea myself for a long time. I finally realized, though, that the politicians can’t be trusted to do anything, including and especially securing the border, so if nothing else but for the sake of clarity I started saying that the answer is to secure the border, enforce the law, AND LET THE CHIPS FALL WHERE THEY MAY. Anything else and you’ve given the politicians wiggle room to get around it.

Rubio makes that point himself. Too bad I simply don’t believe his sincerity anymore... But he rightly points out that Americans won’t hear of any talk about any kind of amnesty until the border is secure. Frankly, there is no need for it. If there are no new illegals entering, and the laws are enforced, the problem will resolve itself over a very few years. People will go home, or find a way to legalize themselves, or get caught and sent home. Some will find ways to evade detection but that number will go down every year until it just doesn’t matter anymore.

Cruz has always been clear on the border. He hasn’t always been a hawk on legal immigration, but we need to take a hard look at that too. If 40 million people are out of work, why are we bringing in millions more every year? Seriously?


21 posted on 02/17/2016 10:00:05 AM PST by marron
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To: heights

“It was another ‘Poison Pill’, he has a cabinet full of them.”

The only “poison pill” that was mentioned at the time was Cruz accusing Obama of putting one in the bill. google it.


22 posted on 02/17/2016 10:00:59 AM PST by odawg
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To: NKP_Vet

We have been over this time and again. He was trying to poison a bill the Senate was certain to pass so that the House might not. We were ultimately saved by the loss of Cantor in his primary. Cruz and the rest of us breathed a sigh of relief at the time and many thanked Cruz for the effort. The amnestyites did not thank Cruz for that but fought him on it because they thought it would kill the bill in the House.


23 posted on 02/17/2016 10:01:23 AM PST by arthurus (Het is waar. Tutti i liberali sono feccia.)
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To: marron

A whole lot of verbal gymnastics going on here ...


24 posted on 02/17/2016 10:01:39 AM PST by stratboy
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To: NKP_Vet

R, Goldman Sachs, nuff said...


25 posted on 02/17/2016 10:04:33 AM PST by VRWC For Truth (FUBO)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

Because the “poison pill” thing is absurd. Have you seen the video?

Cruz is persuasive, articulate, sincere, knowledgeable, earnest.

To go along with the charade, how does Cruz present his case when he is not lying?


26 posted on 02/17/2016 10:06:07 AM PST by odawg
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To: heights
JMHO. Legalizing invaders without a strict timeline to learn English and become citizens is the worst of both worlds. It is a caste system, second-class US residents who provide cheap labor and are limited in their ability to move up. Their children will be citizens, they'll get benefits, it won't send the message that someone is a criminal if they enter the US illegally.

Besides that, if it's done without stopping the invasion of the US, it will set a precedent and it will never end.

27 posted on 02/17/2016 10:12:40 AM PST by grania
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To: odawg
odawg :" To go along with the charade, how does Cruz present his case when he is not lying?"

Even Rubio said the 'gang of eight' proposed legislation said that it wouldn't be voted on ,
much less passed , with the 'poison pill" intact.

28 posted on 02/17/2016 10:15:03 AM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt ( British historian Arnold Toynbee - Civilisations die from suicide, not by murder.)
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To: odawg
odawg :" To go along with the charade, how does Cruz present his case when he is not lying?"

Repeat the lie often enough , and people will remmember the lie, and not the fact .
Make it fun --> right out of Alinsky : Rule for Radicals
Lies by two candidates doesn't make it true !

29 posted on 02/17/2016 10:18:58 AM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt ( British historian Arnold Toynbee - Civilisations die from suicide, not by murder.)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

The most important thing I left out. That video — it was made AFTER — remember AFTER — Cruz’s purported “poison pill” amendments were submitted and killed.

He was explaining what he really wanted, what was on his heart.


30 posted on 02/17/2016 10:22:43 AM PST by odawg
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To: Mastador1

I do wish JR would clean this place up a bit concerning all the nasty accusations going on over Trump. I know three folks that got just plain tired of it and left, taking their donations with them, all long timers like me.


31 posted on 02/17/2016 10:24:06 AM PST by biff
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To: Bidimus1

“Legalize or make citizen”.
There’s a big difference”

Possibly the strangest remark Ive read today. No difference at all.


32 posted on 02/17/2016 10:29:48 AM PST by NKP_Vet (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle,stand like a rock ~ T, Jefferson)
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To: Mastador1

Oh that nasty lying liberal website “The American Thinker”.
LOL.


33 posted on 02/17/2016 10:30:58 AM PST by NKP_Vet (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle,stand like a rock ~ T, Jefferson)
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To: ObozoMustGo2012

If you had bothered to pay attention during that time frame, Ted Cruz fought tooth and nail to defeat the Amnesty crowd. He did everything possible to stop it. He was “THE MAN IN THE SENATE” who was trying to stop the Amnesty crowd.


34 posted on 02/17/2016 10:32:54 AM PST by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: Bidimus1

legalize or make citizen..

There is a very large difference.

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Not to me.


35 posted on 02/17/2016 10:34:13 AM PST by Baldwin77
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To: NKP_Vet

Ted Cruz was one of the primary people who fought and stopped the bill that would have legalized them. According to Sen. Sessions, the bill would have passed but for Ted Cruz.

He tried to remove a key provision. His amendment would have made the bill LESS illegal immigrant friendly.


36 posted on 02/17/2016 10:34:20 AM PST by TBP (0bama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: arthurus

“He was trying to poison a bill the Senate was certain to pass so that the House might not”

Once he started thinking about running for president his story was “I didn’t really mean it, I was just trying to fool them”.

So the bank robber tells the judge. LOL.


37 posted on 02/17/2016 10:34:33 AM PST by NKP_Vet (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle,stand like a rock ~ T, Jefferson)
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To: NKP_Vet

Jackals,he denies nothing,he says legalize them to work,not become citizens.
His amendment did just that,saying he is for letting them become citizens is what you seem to hear and put in his mind where he has been consistent forever against citizenship.
You either are a Typical Rubio supporter or a real idiot


38 posted on 02/17/2016 10:35:25 AM PST by ballplayer (hvexx NKK c bmytit II iyijjhihhiyyiyiyi it iyiiy II i hi jiihi ty yhiiyihiijhijjyjiyjiiijyuiiijihyii)
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To: NKP_Vet

Donald Trump has called for giving illegals “a path” to “make it possible for them to succeed here” so the can “come out from under the shadows.” He has proposed to send illegals home, but then let them back in, which is essentially identical to the touchback amnesty provision in the 2007 “comprehensive reform” bill.


39 posted on 02/17/2016 10:36:07 AM PST by TBP (0bama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: NKP_Vet

I don’t care about the website, and you obviously don’t care about my point, which equally applies to both Trump and Cruz supporters(I have until June to decide who I will pick). What is so laughable is that if your chosen candidate(which one does not matter) is so freaking assured of winning, why post these ridiculous attack articles? All you have to do is wait until they are the nominee and be satisfied.


40 posted on 02/17/2016 10:42:01 AM PST by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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