Posted on 03/08/2016 1:19:35 PM PST by Jeff Head
“You can thank Cruz for leading the fight that killed the Gang of Eight amnesty bill in the House. I was here when FR was thanking him for that too. I could go on with other successes he’s had, but you don’t care.”
I am interested...but, is Cruz really the leader on the failure of the Gang of Eight? Truly?
Reagan united the base only after picking GWHB for Veep.
Also, you didn’t have the GOPe in 1980 telling the voters that they were nuts, screaming that Reagan was a fraud, etc., and saying that they’d vote for Carter. Gerry Ford did NOT come out and slam Reagan.
Trump’s manners (or lack thereof) are surely part of the reason that some people won’t support him...but so are the attitude and the actions of the 2016 GOPe.
Uh, did you even read what I said about those things?
HINT: Here is what I wrote about those very things:
Donald Trump is crass.
Donald Trump is irreverent
Donald Trump is often profane.
... this is something that everyone already knows.
Romney knew it when he glowingly accepted Trump's endorsement in 2012...and he knew it when he attacked him recently.
But all of these people who are so frustrated and upset with the political establishment DO NOT CARE. The people who want to take the country back and want the political establishment put in its place want things fixed and want things changed more than they want reverence, political correctness, politeness, or platitudes.
It's that simple and so the people wanting to attack Trump over these things find no traction. They find they cannot use them against Trump because the people already know it and they are supporting him any way."
“Reagan united the base only after picking GWHB for Veep.”
Bush was in the primaries to the last state.
Reagan’s percentages in the last 12 states:
Idaho-83%
Kentucky-82%
Nevada-83%
California-80%
Mississippi-89%
Montana-87%
New Jersey-81%
New Mexico-64%
Ohio-81%
Rhode Island-72%
South Dakota-88%
West Virginia-84%
Looks to me like they were already united prior to GW Bush being picked as the VP.
My “Yeah, so what!” comment wasn’t meant to disparage what you said...it was (perhaps not too clearly) aimed at those who say those things about him.
I believe that your analysis is pretty much spot-on. While Trump MAY not get the 1,237 votes needed to win on the first ballot (and, then again, he may), he will at least have close to that number and be way ahead of Cruz. My fondest desire is to see the 2 of them combine their delegates and cram them up the Establishment’s hind quarters. That’ll unify the party’s voters like nothing since Reagan nominated Bush in 1980, with similar results.
“Looks to me like they were already united prior to GW Bush being picked as the VP.”
Oh, just wait until we get to the last dozen or so states this time around - Trump won’t have Kasich and Rubio to contend with, and it’ll be plain that he has a large lead over Cruz, so the numbers should be similar.
...you have no indications that he is backing any kind of amnesty, vs tRump who is the “touch back” guy...
ymmv
Bush suspended his campaign before those primaries. So Reagan was running unopposed and voters who didn’t favor him didn’t go to the polls. That didn’t mean the party was united behind him.
“You weren’t old enough to vote then - you said that yourself. I was.’
ok. but looking at the numbers. 85-90% of the popular support looks pretty united. Those are the actual numbers.
The mask is off.
....ummmmm, no YOUR mask is off and you look downright silly with your stupid comments from tRump worship, go troll elsewhere....
ymmv
Thanks for the clarification, and sorry for any mis-comm on my part.
It remains one of my fondest hopes that we would see a Trump/Cruz ticket as well.
Thinking back to 1980...if those men were able to accept and proceed with a Reagan/Bush ticket as they did back then...setting aside some of their nasty rhetoric at the time...it is certainly feasible that the same could occur now,
And, despite all of the rhetoric, I hope it happens now.
They could easily get past all of the uproar and attempts by the MSM and DNC to use it against them by simply laughing at it and stating that this was their strategy and intent all along!
LOL!
That would end up being the mother of all rope-a-dopes!
Most American people believe, irrespective of whatever else, that Donald Trump means what he says and will do all he can to make it happen.
...true Jeff, but when he changes what he is going to do any day, and then back again the next day, who has any confidence that he has any fixed convictions, other than promoting his brand? Sure wouldn’t want to partner with a biz guy who pockets $32MM while his investors LOSE $100MM with his stock price down 89% while other good gaming companies are all making money???? just my $0.02
ymmv
“Bush suspended his campaign before those primaries.”
Bush suspended his campaign in May of that year. Reagan was getting 60%+ in most of the primaries prior to that.
In the less urban states, yes, but Bush had done well in more urban states, winning Pennsylvania, Michigan and others.
I'm not sure what the argument is about, though. I was just pointing out that those last 12 primaries did happen after Bush stopped campaigning, so the party wasn't as united behind Reagan as the numbers might indicate.
In any case, it wasn't party loyalists Reagan was worried about, but the swing voters who might still go with Carter. That's why he had to pick a running mate who was thought to be more "moderate."
“They could easily get past all of the uproar and attempts by the MSM and DNC to use it against them by simply laughing at it and stating that this was their strategy and intent all along!
LOL!
That would end up being the mother of all rope-a-dopes!”
“I’m not sure what the argument is about, though.”
Trump’s campaign can’t be compared to Reagan’s. They are nothing alike. That was my original point.
Yeh hey I can understand why the cruzers are shocked and angered to realize Teddy can’t stay out the Bushes. LOL!
Yep. Amen to all of that.
Trump has made it no secret; he’s assembling a populist parade.
This isn’t the most terribly righty or even well defined thing in the world. Factor in Trump’s own troubles understanding it and we get a wild ride.
However, in the end, if this is half a loaf, but most definitely baked, this is better than a whole loaf, and not baked.
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