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Cruz joins in Red River property dispute
My SS News ^ | 4/2/2016

Posted on 04/04/2016 5:11:08 AM PDT by Elderberry

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To: Popman
Meaningless - because the uni-party wiped America's power via immigration and free trade. The Supreme Court fixation is only for a few social issues. Globalization has destroyed a swath of America more so than any Supreme Court boogieman issue.

So to me you can have your Cruz or your Clinton - on globalization they are the same scumbags. Cruz even said we should be buying Chinese made diapers in the debates. He can rot in hell.

21 posted on 04/04/2016 7:22:16 AM PDT by Trumpinator ("Are you Batman?" the boy asked. "I am Batman," Trump said.)
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To: Trumpinator
She will stack the Supreme Court with left wing justices. - Spare us - Roberts gave us Obamacare.

Yes, indeed he did … and he was a Republican appointee. Now imagine Clinton’s appointees … which this do-nothing Congress will do nothing to stop. A 6-3 or 7-2 favor to the left will do so much damage to this country. Even more than Roberts has done.

22 posted on 04/04/2016 7:43:44 AM PDT by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: jmaroneps37; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3417282/posts?page=4#4


23 posted on 04/04/2016 7:45:08 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: bert

“-—bizarre gradient boundary survey method-—

What is a bizarre gradient boundary survey method ?

The article is big on names but badly deficient in substance

My sister and her husband’s land has been in family for 50 years and is impacted.

http://www.redriverpropertyrights.com/?page_id=5

The bottom line on all this is the federal govt, which is supposed to act for the states, is seeking to expand its authority instead.

This is not what the founders wanted, and ever-encroaching all powerful entity.


24 posted on 04/04/2016 7:49:19 AM PDT by doldrumsforgop
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To: al_c

They all nominate the same range of SC candidates. Sorry - not buying the BS again.


25 posted on 04/04/2016 7:51:33 AM PDT by Trumpinator ("Are you Batman?" the boy asked. "I am Batman," Trump said.)
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26 posted on 04/04/2016 8:16:19 AM PDT by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: doldrumsforgop

I have no dog in this fight but am interested in the original property transfers as the country moved westward. American history is the history of property disputes involving original grants and the politics of the leaders at the time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Grant_Deed

I read the BLM piece referenced above and have a better understanding. Of interest to me, would be the amount of land affected for your relatives. Is it in one parcel or are there several rather small parcels that vary as the river meanders

I just now went to google Earth and followed the river and the Texas Oklahoma boundary line. The difference between the Google map boundary is in some places at considerable variance to the current river course. Also the river shown is narrow compared to the high water level.

My view is that with a river as a boundary, the problem will never be solved because the parameters are constantly changing.


27 posted on 04/04/2016 8:18:35 AM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;+12, 73, ....carson was my guy but now is a Trumplican)
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To: al_c

I am thinking this is the argument used to keep the base on the reservation while the party pushes globalism.


28 posted on 04/04/2016 8:32:29 AM PDT by Trumpinator ("Are you Batman?" the boy asked. "I am Batman," Trump said.)
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To: Trumpinator
I'm not going to disagree with your point, as it has merit...

But, in the long term getting america back to health again, it will take much more than a single Trump term...

Trump hopefully can get her back on the tracks, but we are decades from returning to a constitutional governed government...

We shouldn't toss the power to determine if Hillary or anybody else 1/3 of the government power to affect with life time SCOTUS appointees...

29 posted on 04/04/2016 9:04:51 AM PDT by Popman (Christ Alone: My Cornerstone...)
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To: bert

“Of interest to me, would be the amount of land affected for your relatives”

The feds are claiming 1400 acres of the 2000 acre tract they have owned since the early 60’s

http://www.texastribune.org/2015/11/17/red-river-landowners-take-battle-feds-court/


30 posted on 04/04/2016 9:14:21 AM PDT by doldrumsforgop
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To: Popman

“But, in the long term getting america back to health again, it will take much more than a single Trump term...

Trump hopefully can get her back on the tracks, but we are decades from returning to a constitutional governed government...

the real problem cannot be solved by some President.

Congress is wherein the problem lies. If they had executed their responsibility of upholding the Constitution they has sworn on oath to protect, we would not be in this situation.

A single man whether it be Obama or Trump can be controlled by the duly-elected representatives of the people.

That is the failure we have at this time.


31 posted on 04/04/2016 9:17:33 AM PDT by doldrumsforgop
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To: doldrumsforgop

-——Congress is wherein the problem lies. If they had executed their responsibility of upholding the Constitution they has sworn on oath to protect, we would not be in this situation.-——

True indeed....

I have asked this of Trump supporters and have never gotten an answer...

How by electing Trump is that going to fix Congress where the real problem lies...?

They love the idea of Trump destroying the GOPe (he isn’t going to do that), but what comes after....

Hand the reins of power over to the democrats by default?

If anything Trump will cozy up to the GOPe because in the end he will still need to govern...(which I don’t he knows how to do)


32 posted on 04/04/2016 9:40:37 AM PDT by Popman (Christ Alone: My Cornerstone...)
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To: doldrumsforgop

—— The bureau has not fully surveyed the area, so it is not clear precisely where the public boundary lines intersect with private lands.-—

There you have it


33 posted on 04/04/2016 10:04:53 AM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;+12, 73, ....carson was my guy but now is a Trumplican)
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AG Paxton: Suspension of BLM Red River Surveys is a Win for Texas Friday, April 7, 2017 – Austin

Attorney General Ken Paxton today praised the Trump administration for suspending three U.S. Bureau of Land Management (BLM) surveys from the Obama-era that the BLM used to justify a land grab involving 90,000 acres near the Red River.

The federal action was prompted by the BLM’s admission earlier this week that it used “incorrect methodology” while determining the gradient boundary on a portion of the 116-mile stretch of Texas properties along the Red River. Attorney General Paxton intervened in November 2015 on behalf of the state in a lawsuit brought against the BLM by affected property owners.

“This latest action by the Trump administration protects the property rights of Texans as defined by the U.S. Supreme Court and prevents the federal government from infringing upon Texas’ sovereign borders,” Attorney General Paxton said. “It was our contention all along that the BLM’s surveys were conducted improperly and unlawfully. We will vigilantly defend Texas’ border from federal overreach.”

Pursuant to various U.S. Supreme Court cases in the 1920s, the federal government only has rights to from the Red River’s medial line up to the river’s southern bank. The BLM began its surveys in 2008 as part of an Obama-era process to update the Bureau’s Resource Management Plan. Those surveys claimed federal rights to land far from the river’s southern bank. That was reportedly the first time Texas landowners were told that the federal government was claiming their properties as public lands.

https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/news/releases/ag-paxton-suspension-of-blm-red-river-surveys-is-a-win-for-texas

34 posted on 04/13/2017 8:42:35 PM PDT by Elderberry
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