Homeland Security Rationing Ammo to Agents in the Field

WND ^ | March 12 2017 | STEVE PEACOCK

[vette6387]

“1.6 Billion Rounds Of Ammo For Homeland Security? It’s Time For A National Conversation”

The open question at the outset should be was this a contracted amount of ammunition, or was that quantity actually delivered?

[Responsibility2nd]

I remember that thread.

Why was high caliber ammo being staged in a National Park?

With Obama as our Dear Leader - anything was possible. Thank God he never had a chance to fully militarize the agencies against “We the People”.

[armourenthusiast]

I remember the huge ammo buys also. I did a quick search and found articles about .40 caliber, not 9 mm. Did they change back or something?

[lacrew]

Ever notice that, although the large purchase is justified as being for training, they are buying hollow points?

In my personal life, I don’t shoot paper targets with hollow points...can’t afford it. Guess the government can...

[45Auto]

I guess that some of the .40 mm went to these guys "The U.S. Department of Agriculture, Office of Inspector General, located in Washington, DC, pursuant to the authority of FAR Part 13, has a requirement for the commerical [sic] acquisition of submachine guns, .40 Cal. S&W, ambidextrous safety, semi-automatic or 2 shot burts [sic] trigger group, Tritium night sights for front and rear, rails for attachment of flashlight (front under fore grip) and scope (top rear), stock-collapsilbe [sic] or folding, magazine – 30 rd. capacity, sling, light weight, and oversized trigger guard for gloved operation.” [Note: spelling errors in original]"

[45Auto]

Sorry, not "mm". I goofed, but why the hell does the USDA need submachine guns?

[Scrambler Bob]

Did they change back or something?
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Makes me wonder, too.

Then there was talk of the Govt looking for a new pistol, and maybe with a newly developed caliber.

Which would mean no interchangability with other services, and no good for civilian use. (But that may have been obama-induced paranoia.)

But for sure, can’t trust the feds, especially wrto ammo.

[ssapro]

The ammunition most commonly used by DHS, ICE in particular, is the 40 S&W. ICE officers are allowed to carry a 9 mm pistol as a backup weapon or as a primary depending on the operational component to which they are assigned. It is difficult to understand why 9 mm would suddenly be in short supply with the large purchases of ammunition by the previous administration. Then again, it is also hard to understand why agencies like the Department of Education has tactical teams with sub guns.

[exnavy]

No lying, all that Obama bought went to ISIS.

[Scrambler Bob]

Then again, it is also hard to understand why agencies like the Department of Education has tactical teams with sub guns.
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Oh, those are for folks who use Cursive.

[TigersEye]

That's the analogy that came to my mind.

[Miguk]

I wonder where all those billions and billions and billions (/channeling Sagan) of ammunition that the Federal government under O-Bambi hoarded (and drove up prices through fixing and limiting supply of materials) went? Boating accident? Underpants Gnomes? Illegally and criminally sold to third parties? Stolen by that very same government?

Bueller? Bueller?

I also find it interesting that near the time for a suspected government shutdown (those evil Republi-can'ts!), all these shortfalls in material, supplies and manpower, just, gonna say, magically appear from nothing and become suddenly dire and a potential national security problem.

Now it's ammunition for the jack-booted thuggery of the Federal government. They don't have enough? For training? The Department of Homeland Security does not have enough ammunition at hand to train? prepare? secure? defend? our national security from whom?

Who exactly are they training to defend "us" against? We have 4 branches of the armed forces. We have the FBI and the CIA. We have Park Service rangers shooting at Yogi Bear and BooBoo with those evil-yet-banned-from-public-use "assault" rifles.

And yet our, heh, our Federal government asks for more ammunition and more training to "defend" us from . . . whom? Certainly not terrorists, certainly not from Muslim extremism, certainly not gang-bangers, drug traffickers, human traffickers, human slavers, pedophiles (both secular and religious), or illegal criminal alien invaders (ICAI) who are illegally and criminally invading our sovereign United States.

If the usual suspects of criminals, despots, terrorists, murderers, drugs, gangs, and illegal criminal alien invaders (ICAI), are left out of any government congressional appropriation (tax-payer) request, then that begs the question:

Whom exactly is our government 'securing' and 'defending' its tax-paying law-abiding citizens from?

If there was a chicken in every pot, and a rifle in every American citizen-patriot hand, and the will of both the citizenry and the government to defend our sovereign United States from all enemies foreign and domestic, there would be no need whatsoever for a department of anything security.

[markomalley]

Forbes (2013): 1.6 Billion Rounds Of Ammo For Homeland Security? It's Time For A National Conversation

WTF????

[PraiseTheLord]

No lying, all that Obama bought went to ISIS.

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ISIS *over here* — or — ISIS *over there* ?

[Gaffer]

I don’t know. I remember articles about fantastically sized RFQs being let and the answers that came back that the contracts were like an IDIQ (indefinite delivery, indefinite quantity) with a certain dollar sized ceiling (i.e., not all that ammo was actually to be bought at once).

If that is the case then I guess those contracts never hit their ceiling and expired - it does seem like it has been a while since that news came out. I just don’t know at this point.

[archy]

I remember the huge ammo buys also. I did a quick search and found articles about .40 caliber, not 9 mm. Did they change back or something?

The FBI [and Indianapolis PD in lockstep] has announced that with proper hollowpoint ammunition, the 9mm is just as effective as the .40, is less expensive, is easier on the guns, which therefore last longer, carries 2 or 3 more rounds in the same size magazine, and [wait for it] can be more easily used by female shooters and those with smallish hands, [Asian/Hispanic/Indio] especially when modular grip panels or inserts are used; the Bureau has a long history of fitting custom concealment grips and grip adaptors on its revolvers.

So the FBI and Indy PD have announced the introduction of the new *generation 5* Glock G17M and G19M as the latest improvement on the Glock 17 introduced in 1984 or so.

The Feeb has yet to announce their *magic bullet * 9mm round, but it's pretty clear that it will not be the US M882 9mm ball used by the US Army and USMC for combat operations [though some MPs, general officer bodyguards and Special Operations shooters use jhp ammo] A pal of mine from Indy Metro tells me that Hornady 135-grain *critical duty* hollowpoints are in the running, if Hornady can meet the contract/pricing requirements.

For more details, follow the FR *bang list,* and ask banglist-keeper FReepeeper to ping you to it.

[Bodega]

Am I the only one thinking we have two DHSs. One overt and one covert. Overt is clearly what we are talking about in this FR article. Covert is another story entirely.

How difficult would it be to have developed under Obama a Shadow DHS and had the ammo diverted over to them. Considering how little we know about the DHS, I’d say it was damned easy especially if most of the DHS agents are pro globalist/Obama Shadow gov/Hillary/Soros and only pretend to function as the DHS we think we are familiar with.

It is time to undo the DHS along with the Dept of Education...BLM, etc.