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Self Defense? Washington Man Faces Possible Murder Charge for Shooting Showering Intruder
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Posted on 04/05/2017 12:01:57 AM PDT by nickcarraway

A Washington state man is facing a possible first-degree murder charge after shooting an intruder he found taking a shower in a property he owned — in a case authorities and legal experts said appeared to go beyond self-defense laws.

Bruce Fanning, 59, is accused of fatally shooting Nathaniel Rosa, 31, after he discovered Rosa bathing early Saturday morning in Belfair, Washington, according to the Mason County Sheriff's Office.

Authorities say Fanning discovered his place of business, which is near his home, had been broken into and found Rosa in the shower.

Fanning told investigators he confronted Rosa, who responded with "some unintelligible words that seemed threatening to him and that he appeared drunk," Mason County Sheriff's Office Chief Deputy Ryan Spurling told NBC News.

Image: Washington state A homeowner shot an intruder after finding the man in his shower in Mason County, Wash. Mason County Sheriff's Office Fanning then left the building, went next door to his home and got a hand gun, returned and shot Rosa, Spurling said.

Both Spurling and a press release from the sheriff's office said Fanning did not try interact with Rosa again before shooting him.

"He wasn't in any danger when he left the residence," Spurling said, later adding, "He reinserted himself, saw the individual was still showering and shot him — that's not self-defense."

Authorities arrested Fanning on suspicion of second-degree murder, but a clerk at the Mason County Superior Court told NBC News that a judge at Fanning's court appearance on Monday found there was probable cause for first-degree murder — which would require prior intent to kill.

Fanning has not yet been charged with either first or second degree murder but is being held at the Mason County Jail on $250,000 bail, prosecutor Mike Dorsey told NBC News. He was scheduled to be arraigned on April 10.

Dorsey said investigators were still working out the details of how Rosa ended up at Fanning's residence, but noted that on that street there were several "almost identical" looking houses.

Legal experts told NBC News on Tuesday that while the specific case was still being investigated, even the most permissive self-defense laws or gun laws still required using deadly force to be necessary to preserve one's life, or that of another.

Play How US compares to rest of world on gun laws Facebook Twitter Embed How US compares to rest of world on gun laws 3:52 Heidi Li Feldman, professor of law at Georgetown University Law Center, said Washington state "has permissive gun ownership and use laws, and it specifically is a state that doesn't have any duty to retreat," referring to a legal requirement that a person under threat must retreat from the threat rather as much as possible rather than resort to use of force.

Feldman said that even states with so-called "stand your ground" laws, which allow people to use force without retreating in order to protect themselves, there must be a reasonable threat.

"None of these doctrines let you shoot someone just for being on your property," she said.

Washington state law says no person shall be placed in "legal jeopardy of any kind whatsoever" for protecting themselves "by any reasonable means necessary, himself or herself, his or her family, or his or her real or personal property, or for coming to the aid of another who is in imminent danger of or the victim of assault, robbery, kidnapping, arson, burglary, rape, murder, or any other violent crime."

The sheriff's department included in its press release that state law also rules a person can use force lawfully to defend themselves or someone in their vicinity if they are about to be injured, and said they found in their initial investigation that this case did not support "reasonable" or "necessary" self-defense.

"It's not clear that somebody standing in your shower, naked and maybe not all that communicative, is in fact posing the sort of threat to you that would justify the use of force in defending yourself," Feldman noted.

Image: Mason County, Wash. Police investigate the shooting. Mason County Sheriff's Office Robert Cottrol, a law professor at George Washington University, said many laws around the country draw a distinction between "self-defense, which is when you're in imminent peril, and self-help, which is taking the law into your own hands."

"There are aspects of the case — like the fact that it took place in the home — that complicate it, but I don't think the arrest is by any means out of the question," he said.

"Where's the imminent harm? Where's the upturned knife that you're about to be struck by," he added.

Mason County Coroner Wes Stockwell told NBC News on Tuesday that Rosa died from four gunshot wounds to the torso. He said his office would be doing a toxicology report, but that results would not be available for several weeks.

Stockwell said Rosa's family told him the victim had been visiting his mother, who lives in the town of Belfair, and friends for the weekend.

Rosa was a special education teacher at Woodmoor Elementary School in Bothell, Washington, according to school district officials. He was hired in July 2015. It was unclear why he would have been taking a shower on Fanning's property.

"This is a devastating loss for our school community," Principal Angela Kerr said in an email to families obtained by NBC News.

Northshore School District Superintendent Michelle Reid said in a separate email to staff that Rosa "was a compassionate and dedicated educator who made a difference in the lives of many and will be dearly missed."

Fanning's niece, Christal Farster, told NBC affiliate KING5 on Monday that her uncle was a private person.

"He is a great uncle," she told the station as she left the courtroom. "I feel for the whole situation, all the families and stuff."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: banglist; breakingandentering; crime; firearms; guncontrol; guns; homeowner; illegalentry; law; secondamendment; selfdefense; shooting; shot; washington
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To: Elsie

41 posted on 04/05/2017 7:06:26 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Chickensoup
True but they have your number and will call back.


42 posted on 04/05/2017 7:11:23 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: KeyLargo
If yer gonna shoot...



43 posted on 04/05/2017 7:14:34 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

https://youtu.be/N6OCMnyG-JA


44 posted on 04/05/2017 7:16:48 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ScottinVA

I have a question, if you shot an armed intruder in your house like the guy in Broken, would it bother you much? I don’t think it would bother me much.


45 posted on 04/05/2017 7:26:01 AM PDT by castlegreyskull
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To: Elsie

46 posted on 04/05/2017 7:30:05 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo
LOL

Don't mess with my toys!

47 posted on 04/05/2017 7:31:05 AM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: dp0622

I find drunk, naked Mexicans on my property to be a great threat to my family.

I actually felt in fear for my life when reading this story.


48 posted on 04/05/2017 7:40:27 AM PDT by T-Bone Texan
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To: Apple Pan Dowdy
...the article said he was a teacher so he had to be mentally aware.

The leftism prevalent among the teaching profession belies that statement.

49 posted on 04/05/2017 7:42:46 AM PDT by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Building the Wall! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: Apple Pan Dowdy
Something here just doesn’t make any sense to me.

You make a great point.

Maybe it started as a shower pour deux.

Little scrub-scrub-scrubby of his chub-chub-chubby.

There is an aspect of the hysterical in all this.

50 posted on 04/05/2017 8:08:58 AM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: Drew68
"I'd be really careful with anything I "learned" on Free Republic regarding the lawful use of firearms and self defense."

Dittos. I argue over these cases all the time. Including this one.

51 posted on 04/05/2017 8:37:15 AM PDT by mlo
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To: Joe Boucher

Assault with a deadly weapon. The point is he left the house, went and got a gun and then came back. As soon as he left the house any fear of personal danger was gone


52 posted on 04/05/2017 8:53:37 AM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: Pollster1
As for the shooter, the bullet holes in the shower curtain worry me. It’s hard to justify whatever fear is required for a shooting if the (drunk, drugged, or crazy) criminal is still in your shower and you’re not. Obviously, it would be an entirely different situation if they were both led up in the shower!

When there are considerable differences between ages and size, I'd say that could be cause for fear for one's safety, particularly at close range and if the recipient is stumbling drunk out of the shower while tangled up in the curtain- or seems to be.

59 years old, 31 years old; about twice the age of the elder to the younger.

Bruce Fanning, the 59-year-old shooter is on the left. Housebreaker Nathaniel Rosa, 31, is on the right.


53 posted on 04/05/2017 9:12:13 AM PDT by archy (Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Except bears, they'll kill you a little, and eat you.)
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To: archy

That may be a good point.


54 posted on 04/05/2017 9:22:03 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: castlegreyskull
I have a question, if you shot an armed intruder in your house like the guy in Broken

Not a bit. Knowing I protected my family and myself will easily overcome any potential pangs of guilt.

55 posted on 04/05/2017 10:24:27 AM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberals' agony is my entertainment.)
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To: ScottinVA

I don’t think I would either. If I killed someone where I had every right, I don’t think I would dwell on it much.


56 posted on 04/05/2017 12:29:09 PM PDT by castlegreyskull
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To: Chickensoup
you cannot hang up a cell phone from a 911 call.

Sure you can. They want you to keep the line open, but the second you call they have your location.

57 posted on 04/05/2017 3:46:44 PM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: archy

Your tagline cudda been the dead guys!


58 posted on 04/05/2017 4:22:50 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SkyPilot

Even if you have the GPS turned OFF?


59 posted on 04/05/2017 4:23:33 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

I believe so, yes. They can instantly trace your phone.


60 posted on 04/05/2017 5:30:07 PM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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