Posted on 09/21/2017 3:49:42 AM PDT by 11th_VA
If the President was really trying on this then he'd be pushing his own plan rather than signing on to whatever plan Congress comes up with. It's going to have his name on it.
Your link goes to "Man gets prison term for killing wife by setting her on fire"
Regardless, I don't think the Democrats are running all that scared. They broke healthcare and owned it for 8 years. Now the Republicans own healthcare, and if they leave it broken or break it even more than the Democrats will be there to bang them with it at election time. Their cries of doom right now are for their base and for the media. In the background they're saying, "Please, please, please let McCain and Murkowski and Caputo vote for this."
That story is a Metaphor for Obamacare ;)
If people could not afford health insurance, and it was viewed as a public good that they do have insurance, then they could have simply been put on Medicaid. For those few people, less than 10% of the population, that would have been an improvement. In the meantime, the other 90% of us would have been able to maintain our plans and keep our doctors, and not have to pay vastly higher deductibles. It would have been far less expensive to have more people on Medicaid, and you would have had many more doctors still working within the system (many doctors have left out of complete frustration at the system, people who were in their fifties and early sixties, at the peak of their Knowledge and Skills - wow, what a great result!). In the meantime, what Obamacare has done is negative in virtually every single way. Yet you back this garbage, socialist plan for the government to take over our entire medical system. Because, make no mistake, Obamacare was planned to fail from the first moment it was conceived. The Left has always wanted single-payer, and ObamaCare was their bridge to getting it. Again, you still back this garbage. Why? What kind of a socialist troll are you?
That is defeatist talk. President Trump cannot force Congress to pass his bills. He has to do the best he can to keep his promises by threading the needle of what is closest to his aim and will get 50 votes.
This bill has a good chance only because the Governors are putting pressure on the Senators. That is only happening because The States will get money without mandates on how to spend it. That money will give them 6 years to get a system in place as a saftey net and to promote better access to care.
If that sweetener were not there there would be single payer around the corner. POTUS is playing a high stakes game and getting second guessed on all sides. The magic wand theory of “if he wanted to he would” is good to motivate kids but POTUS is already all in, 110% engaged, and any other man would have thrown in the towel a long time ago and kicked the can down the road.
No in most cases you don’t eliminate cancer you ameliorate it. This bill is not a fix for Obamacare its a sideways move into a 6 year transition after which the State grants cease (2026). There would be no bill at all if there was not a big $ cushion for the transition.
Taking away an entitlement is a big deal politically. If this bill passes it will be the first time in my lifetime that an entitlement has been ended. The fact that it is being phased out doesn’t bother me. It’s cheap compared to the easier solution politically of single payer.
Partly, yes.
1. Buy time.
2. Meet with Nunchucks as a shot across the bow to GOP.
But he's not even doing that. He's signing on to any bill that they come up with.
This bill has a good chance only because the Governors are putting pressure on the Senators. That is only happening because The States will get money without mandates on how to spend it.
I would assume that they have to spend it on health care of some sort.
That money will give them 6 years to get a system in place as a saftey net and to promote better access to care.
Two years. In 2020 the expanded Medicare subsidy and the insurance premium subsidies end.
If that sweetener were not there there would be single payer around the corner.
Why do people keep saying that? There aren't likely 50 votes for Trumpcare. I don't see single payer getting anywere close to that. Not unless all the Republicans convert to that goal.
The magic wand theory of “if he wanted to he would” is good to motivate kids but POTUS is already all in, 110% engaged, and any other man would have thrown in the towel a long time ago and kicked the can down the road.
Trump wants something to sign and I doubt he really cares what's in it. So long as he can call it a deal and claim that he repealed Obamacare then he isn't much interested in what the replacement does.
Ok,I’m glad to call you a Freeper friend and glad we can disagree from time to time, without rancor. The info is from several articles:
The legislation would eliminate Obamacare subsidies that lower premiums, deductibles and co-pays in 2020. It would also jettison federal funding for Medicaid expansion, which 31 states use to provide coverage for residents with incomes up to about $16,000.
Like previous Obamacare repeal bills Republicans have put forward, Graham-Cassidy goes far beyond just rolling back Obamacare, to instead restructure the finances of the Medicaid program as a whole.
It does this by converting Medicaid to a “per capita cap” system, in which the federal government would no longer commit to open-ended funding to help states afford enrollees’ health bills. Instead of matching the money states spend on Medicaid enrollees, the federal government would provide a set amount of money to states to spend on recipients.
The bill’s block grant would not only be inadequate to replace the ACA’s major coverage expansions (the Medicaid expansion and the marketplace subsidies) but would disappear altogether after 2026.
The result is that, beginning in 2027, Cassidy-Graham would be virtually identical to a repeal-without-replace bill — except for its additional Medicaid cuts through the per capita cap, described below.
The above info is taken from a variety of sites most of which are moaning that the bill is an assault on Medicaid financing as well as ending Obamacare. That makes me cheer.
Basically the Feds are off loading the Medicaid system onto the States which is where it belongs, the State can better monitor fraud and eliminate redundancy, reward programs that work, negotiate discounts etc. The block grants for 6 years give the States time to get programs in place and start to decide how they will allocate resources when the block grants end. Sure Congress can extend them if we haven’t held on to the majority and we need to guard against that but this is an honest attempt at a hand off.
Are we lost in the daily headlines????
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Posted on September 21, 2017 by Gunny G
POTUS.45 TRUMP IS GREAT!
BUT DID THE PRINCE OF FOOLS EVER REALLY DEPART? ~ Y’ALL KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT ONE, FOLKS!
SUMPTHIN’ GOTTA CHANGE IN THIS LUNEY TUNE PIC HERE! — FAST!
OR ELSE!!!!!!!!!!
LOOKS LIKE MAYBE MR. TRUMP IS THE POTUS OF THE PEOPLE (REAL AMERICANS~NOT AINOs) AND MAYBE NOT POTUS WHEN IT COMES TO OUR GUBMINT! I FOR ONE DO NOT WANT MY COCKED AND LOCKED POTUS TO BE ANOHER DEAL-MAKING POLITICIAN LIKE “Let’s Make A Deal Bob Dole” Of Yesteryear!
GET RID OF THE MARXISTS, LEFISTS, ITS, ETC.WHATEVER CALLED! BY HOOK, CROOK, WHATEVER IT TAKES!
Fergit all the candy-@$$ BS..........
MY OCCASIONAL TWO CENTS!
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“But not kill it. That would throw us back to what we have before, which was even worse.”
What we had before was the envy of the world. This notion that there was something wrong with it was just another lying, fakenews GoebbelsNarrative.
The only problems we had were directly attributable to government meddling, and could have been corrected by getting government out of medical care.
The unaffordable care act is socialized medicine. Socialized medicine is always horrible, wherever it is tried. I lived with it for over 20 years, and if the US and its doctors had not been here, I would have died of it.
We don’t need “better” socialized medicine; we need a return to the liberty our forefathers bequeathed us.
Moore is a well known high profile person in Alabama. That gives him a leg up, regardless of the issues.
In other states (eg TN) who do we have that is high profile or can quickly create high profile? A C&W Star? A Sports Star? A career politician in the statehouse?
We already know your commie position.
Just remember, opinions are like a$$holes.
Everyone has one, and often they stink.
Before Obamacare, I had insurance through my employer. If I didn’t like that, I’d go buy it elsewhere from a private insurer.
I would pay roughly 200/month with no deductible, and co-pays for most everything. I had one insurance I got through an employer that had a deductible and it was horrible. $500, and it was $250/month for me and my family.
Now, I can’t get it through my employer. For me to do so, for just me, is $1700/month with a $10,000 deductible. Going through the exchange is so much better. $1625 for me and one child. I make too much to get help covering the outrageous increases, and don’t make enough to pay more than my rent for insurance.
Obamacare has been a disaster for our country and literally will cause a civil war to fix the destruction it visited on our country.
You mean Jim Robinson?
Who’s this Robinson guy?
I’m sure you’re joking, but let’s just go with this here.....
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Sorry.
Yes, I know. Thanks a lot.
:D
We would never be talking about this if the Donkeys in RINO skins would have done what they campaigned to do at the first opportunity.
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