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The US-Saudi Starvation Blockade
Townhall.com ^ | Nov 24, 2017 | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 11/23/2017 10:42:55 PM PST by Oshkalaboomboom

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To: Mr. Blond

Name three such items.

I’ll point out that Churchill had the then-recent U.S. precedent of the Union blockade of Southern seaports and Sherman’s March.

I’ve said numerous times here that Churchill’s The River War and With the Malakand Field Force should have been required reading in the wake of 9/11 for the entire NSC and staff, the entire armed forces general staff, everyone NCO and up in the Army and Marines, and anyone in the State Department having anything to do with the Middle East. I’m generally a fan.


21 posted on 11/24/2017 2:25:14 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“Perhaps the conquest of Japan was the cleanest war of all those waged in the 20th century. Two atom bombs and that saved the rest of Japan, as well as the morals of the West. Broad population wars are very demoralizing.”

The firebombing of Tokyo killed more people than either atom bomb; the American high command had figured out the perfect mix of high explosive bombs to reduce buildings to kindling followed by incendiary bombs to set it all alight. Planes flying over the burning city were lifted by the heat of the firestorm below. By the time we dropped the atom bombs there was almost 0 chance the bombers would be shot down; we killed plenty of Japanese civilians in bombing raids that spanned three years. I’m not criticizing the policy, but it wasn’t “clean” by any stretch.


22 posted on 11/24/2017 3:40:57 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Little Ray

“Americans denounced as inhumane this starvation blockade that would eventually take the lives of a million German civilians.”

The US respected the British blockade of Germany while trading with Britain - including arms - while feigning neutrality. This is nonsense.


23 posted on 11/24/2017 3:42:34 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: cpdiii

War is hell Bump...PC wars do not *settle* anything or solve problems.


24 posted on 11/24/2017 4:16:49 AM PST by B.O. Plenty (....give war a chance.....)
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To: Boomer

If the left won, they’d establish “re-education” centers, from which very few conservatives would ever return. Take that to the bank.


25 posted on 11/24/2017 4:34:03 AM PST by Hardastarboard (Three most annoying words on the internet - "Watch the Video")
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

I don’t think it’s that sudden. Buchanan’s been manifesting that risible, detestable, insufferable thing -— conscience -— for awhile now.

May God bless this good man.


26 posted on 11/24/2017 4:50:23 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Stone cold sober, as a matter of fact.)
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To: cpdiii; Oshkalaboomboom
"The civilian population is a valid target in war as the farmer, the baker, the mechanics etc. are an integral part of the war machine."

False. The work they are engaged in is blameless. And they didn't choose to be subjects of these regimes.

The farmer farms. The mother mothers. The just man, as Hopkins says, justices.

27 posted on 11/24/2017 4:52:56 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Stone cold sober, as a matter of fact.)
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To: Rockingham

“If a blockade is prohibited, just what security measures does Pat recommend to Saudi Arabia, the US, and our other regional allies?”

I think the author is recommending that the whole thing just stop and everybody get along.

We have left behind the old era where wars were actually won and then civilization moved on. It’s just not nice to win wars as you have to hurt people to do it.


28 posted on 11/24/2017 5:01:35 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: pepsionice
They don’t have the manpower to put it down

Why not? What's wrong with all their men? Then why don't they just hire some rag-head savages from elsewhere in the region to do their fighting? They've got the money, "freedom isn't free".

and would have to approach Trump (with money) and get US assistance. Trump might say no...

Hell to the no!

Take the oil! and blow up the bad-guys whenever and wherever needed from the air. Confiscate the Soddie money and food-bomb the starving masses with bundles clearly marked "A gift from the American People".

29 posted on 11/24/2017 5:36:33 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs, RINOs...same thing)
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To: Gen.Blather

When has an urging by remote outsiders to “just stop and everybody get along” actually resolved a conflict? And, as one of those irreducible facts of life, “winning a war requires hurting people.”


30 posted on 11/24/2017 5:44:52 AM PST by Rockingham
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To: Rockingham

“When has an urging by remote outsiders to “just stop and everybody get along” actually resolved a conflict? “

The Quran says to treat the enemy in the most horrible manner you can imagine as it is kinder in the long run to inflict maximum terror. This forces the e the enemy to submit sooner, and thus saves lives.


31 posted on 11/24/2017 5:48:38 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

If the Houthis have no rice, let them eat Myrrh


32 posted on 11/24/2017 5:50:26 AM PST by Thibodeaux (whites seem to actually be supreme)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

Oh yes, I forgot. Pat is a 1930’s isolationist antiwar Republican


33 posted on 11/24/2017 5:53:04 AM PST by Thibodeaux (whites seem to actually be supreme)
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To: Gen.Blather
The Quran says to treat the enemy in the most horrible manner you can imagine as it is kinder in the long run to inflict maximum terror. This forces the e the enemy to submit sooner, and thus saves lives.

I think you are lying. Citation, please?

34 posted on 11/24/2017 5:55:21 AM PST by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: Teacher317

Quotes and citations down the left side of the page.

http://www.debate.org/opinions/does-islam-teach-violence


35 posted on 11/24/2017 6:09:26 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

The fact that they are holding the 30-odd princes in a facility guarded by the western contractors they brought in...means they don’t trust their own ‘raghead’ army or the internal Saudi militia that does exist.

As these stories of the interrogation and torture get out...I think these will make the remaining insiders question the authority of the King, and where things will go. Maybe there’s a year of this speculation period...holding of the princes...etc. I also don’t think bin Alal will probably never see his release. They will have to pick someone to be executed and be the blunt part of their demonstration of power. He’s the likely guy.

I’ll also make this comment. A number of these folks hold insider info on money-laundering and it might actually lead back to a number of Americans (perhaps even bigwigs attached to the GOP donor machine), and the King will have a listing of their names and the money within the Saudi machine. Presently, those folks with money in the Saudi laundry system have a lot to worry about. They might not ever be able to get their money back.

So it’s not just the money of the princes at stake here....it’s the outsiders who were using the system as well.


36 posted on 11/24/2017 6:18:24 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: pepsionice
Financially, they need oil prices back at $80 to $100 a barrel, today? It’s resting at $55 to $65.

You are wrong. They need prices at $55-65, because otherwise, many massive deposits in the US that are slightly more expensive to extract suddenly become worthwhile to start pumping once again. Several areas of the US would enjoy another boom, as they did previously when oil prices went that high. The Saudis would not benefit nearly as much, as they would lose a significant amount of market share. The last thing they want is the US as a major competitor for customers... especially with a pro-energy and pro-economic-growth president.

37 posted on 11/24/2017 7:09:44 AM PST by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: Hardastarboard

Can’t disagree. Leftists actually believe they are smarter, more enlightened, and right about everything including normalizing perversion and transexuals plus removing Christianity and the morals it teaches. I don’t care how much of their re-education they put me through; I would never agree with them on what they are trying to do.

The odd thing is this isn’t the same leftist dems from just 20+ years ago. This new militant, racist minority, LGBT dem party isn’t much more than a big ball of hate.

How the heck did that happen? Is it possible the professors and teachers did it all? Obviously obama accelerated this devious insidious thinking in the dem party but how did it get to this level of pure hate? Even for the dems; this is a hard left in their thinking.


38 posted on 11/24/2017 7:11:25 AM PST by Boomer (TisOK2BWhite)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

He wrote in a book that you can read at his website that we should not have entered into WW2 against the Germans.....
His thinking was we would use the Germans against the Russians. He forgot about (did not care) about the many other free countries that the nazi’s overran.


39 posted on 11/24/2017 8:11:55 AM PST by minnesota_bound
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To: kearnyirish2

The Brits enforced their blockade, stopping ships and searching for contraband (and contraband had a pretty broad definition...).
The Germans started and stopped unrestricted submarine warfare at least twice.

The object of a war is to win. The only effect these stupid ‘humanitarian’ rules have had is make it impossible to win a war and to extend the duration and suffering of the war.

IF you can no longer feed your civilians, YOU HAVE LOST THE WAR. Ask for terms.


40 posted on 11/24/2017 8:12:03 AM PST by Little Ray (Freedom Before Security!)
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