Posted on 02/11/2018 2:22:01 PM PST by Navy Patriot
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Sunday that Israeli forces would press ahead with Syria operations despite their loss of an advanced warplane to enemy fire for the first time in 36 years.
Syrian anti-aircraft fire downed the F-16 as it returned from a bombing raid on Iran-backed positions in Syria early on Saturday. The Iran-backed forces are supporting President Bashar al-Assad in Syria's near seven-year civil war.
Israel then launched a second and more intensive air raid, hitting what it said were 12 Iranian and Syrian targets in Syria, including Syrian air defense systems.
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Isreal could use some high flying B-52s.
Too bad we chopped up so many over the years.
Assad isn’t perfect, but if he goes, the head choppers will take over. Also, without western support for the headchopper jihadis, Assad wouldn’t have brought in the Iranians to fight them.
The CIA/State/USAID and the neocons sure made a nice mess by jumping when our Saudi “allies” said so.
B-52s aren’t very good against SAMs. The SA-2s in Vietnam utterly savaged them. S200s and S400s would make it idiotic. Israel pretty much has to count on surprise and precision...and an extreme qualitative aircrew advantage.
A B-52 is a lot of things, but a surprise weapon ain’t one of ‘em.
You don't think those would be dead meat against modern air defenses? It's one thing to bomb goat rapers who can't shoot back, but there is modern Russian gear defending the airspace in Syria. Large, slow, high flying, 50 year old airframes aren't the best way to deal with that environment.
Syrian anti-aircraft fire downed the [Israeli] F-16 as it returned from a bombing raid on Iran-backed positions in Syria early on Saturday.I know there are hundreds of Freepers here who believe Israel can do no wrong, and I want to support Israel 100% whenever possible, but can someone please explain what give Israel the right to violate sovereign airspace over a neighbor country, and drop BOMBS there, on forces FRIENDLY to that neighbor country?
The Iran-backed forces are supporting President Bashar al-Assad in Syria's near seven-year civil war.
Would those Freepers who never waver from saying Israel is ALWAYS in the right, say the following Mexican bombing would be OK too?
American anti-aircraft fire downed the Mexican F-22 as it returned from a bombing raid on Canadian-backed positions in America early on Saturday.
The Canadian-backed forces are supporting President Trump in America's near seven-year civil war.
Well,
Then there is this:
“No, the B-1B carries about 2/3s the payload of the B-52H, that is one reason 35 B-1Bs (along with the high operating costs of the Bone) were selected for storage at DM.
Quoting DL021 (Reply 2):
I think you were looking the specs for the B-1A. It was rated to be able to carry somewhere around 115k lbs counting both internal and external loads.
I believe that the B-1B can carry around 40-45k lbs payload.
That is correct.
BTW, the B-2A can carry up to a 60,000lb payload. The B-52H carries up to 70,000lbs.”
I’m actually curious to find out if the F16 shot down was bait to uncover air defenses, or was it pilot error, or was it some advanced anti-aircraft tech?
Also that payload game is largely over. That’s a relic of the 1950s. Some of our thermonuclear weapons of the day were 25 feet long and weighed in at 42,000 lbs.
The other use for a huge capacity was for conventional use of iron bombs. Both of those uses are basically over today.
Modern nukes are small, and often launched in stand off mode.
About the only modern conventional use for a 52 is like Afghanistan. Where we have a utter air supremacy, and we can orbit all day dropping JDAMs. But we wouldn’t get away with that against a nation that could shoot SAMs.
Anyway, does anyone know exactly what shot down the F-16? SAM, Manpad, or AAA?
Rhino,
but what about those moderate Jihadists McCrazy was funneling billions to ?
and the CIA jihadists ?
and the Pentagon jihadists ?
and the Mossad jihadists ?
aren’t they all our buddies
This was a response for attacks from that area. One was an armed attack drone. They can't not respond or that invites more attacks.
B-52
Payload: 70,000 lbs
Ceiling: 50,000 ft
Speed: 650 kn
Inventory: 76
Nuclear-capable
B-1B
Payload: 75,000 lbs
Ceiling: 30,000+ ft
Speed: 900+ kn
Inventory: 60
Non-Nuclear-capable
B-2
Payload: 40,000 lbs
Ceiling: 50,000 ft
Speed: 650 kn
Inventory: 19
Nuclear-capable
Well, yes the Shah was making Iran the best friend America could have in the Middle East, with Freedom of Religion and Equal Rights for All, but he was mean to my favorite Soviet Commie agitators that were trying to overthrow him, so I had to force Democrat Regime Change.
Expensive bait.
No, you see, after Afghanistan and Iraq, we've got Regime Change down to a science now, nothing can go wrong this time.
Israel using B-52s is total fantasy. But if they did they would have to ask us and they don’t have them. But I have seen them fly at tree top level, might be hard to hit and the AAA batteries could be softened up with some wild weasels. Then you have to worry about interception. No, ain’t gonna happen.
I would add one more use in the case of a hot war, if the enemy has a functioning Air defense system, 70,000lbs of payload can be translated into a lot of air launched cruise missiles.
Never enter their range, and if they kill some of the missiles, send more on the next trip.
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