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The Russian Indictments
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-russian-indictments-1518825574 ^ | Feb. 16, 2018 | The Editorial Board

Posted on 02/17/2018 9:04:24 AM PST by Para-Ord.45

The 37-page indictment contains no evidence of collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign... On the evidence so far, President Trump has been the biggest victim of that effort, and he ought to be furious at Vladimir Putin.

The indictment also contains no evidence that Russia’s meddling changed the electoral results. A U.S. presidential campaign is a maelstrom of information, charges and counter-charges, media reports and social-media chatter. The Russian Twitter bursts became part of this din and sought to reinforce existing biases more than they sought to change minds.

The indictment also makes us wonder what the Obama Administration was doing amid all of this. Where were top Obama spooks James Clapper and John Brennan ? Their outrage became public only after their candidate lost the election. If they didn’t know what was going on, why not? And if they did, why didn’t they let Americans in on the secret? President Obama sanctioned Russia for its meddling only after the election.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2016election; dnc; dnchacking; russianbloggers; russianhackers; sethrich; vips
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Obama, DNC,Hillary likely were aware of the Russian internet trolls and decided to use the Russian propaganda to accuse opponents of being Russian spies and use the propaganda to officially spy on their opponents and Americans.

John Brennan was no doubt fully aware and did little to nothing to stop the trolling. The trolling merely re-enforced their false narrative. Brennan was busy pushing the Hillary bought and paid for Russian Steele propaganda onto Comey to obtain multiple FISA warrants enabling surveillance of all opponents

1 posted on 02/17/2018 9:04:24 AM PST by Para-Ord.45
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One point that I didn't hear anyone mention yesterday is that NONE of the indictments had anything to do with the hacking of the DNC, which the government claimed to have solid evidence for more than a year ago, and which was ostensibly the main impetus for the investigation.

If the government claimed to have irrefutable evidence a year ago, why hasn't an additional year of investigation led to any indictments relating to the hacking?
2 posted on 02/17/2018 9:12:20 AM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: Para-Ord.45

Obama, DNC,Hillary likely were aware of the Russian internet trolls and decided to use the Russian propaganda to accuse opponents of being Russian spies and use the propaganda to officially spy on their opponents and Americans.

John Brennan was no doubt fully aware and did little to nothing to stop the trolling. The trolling merely re-enforced their false narrative. Brennan was busy pushing the Hillary bought and paid for Russian Steele propaganda onto Comey to obtain multiple FISA warrants enabling surveillance of all opponents

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can’t wait for the CIA’s annimated video of this Russian “meddling”


3 posted on 02/17/2018 9:17:20 AM PST by thinden
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To: Para-Ord.45

The indictment also makes us wonder what the Obama Administration was doing amid all of this. Where were top Obama spooks James Clapper and John Brennan ? Their outrage became public only after their candidate lost the election. If they didn’t know what was going on, why not? And if they did, why didn’t they let Americans in on the secret? President Obama sanctioned Russia for its meddling only after the election.


Probably because all this so called “meddling” didn’t amount to a hill of beans. If it was actually done by Russian Intelligence, it was totally ineffective. Putin should have them over a slow fire for wasting more time and $$ than Strzok and Page.


4 posted on 02/17/2018 9:18:02 AM PST by rbg81 (Truth is stranger than fiction)
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To: Steve_Seattle

Excellent question.


5 posted on 02/17/2018 9:22:18 AM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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Maybe because the FBI did not get their hands on the Hard-drives and possibly did not want to as it would blow their false narrative out of the water and reveal the download speed to be too fast if it were a Russian 5000 miles away.

“A group of former US intelligence officials contend that the hack of the Democratic National Committee’s computers in 2016 was an inside job.

The group, which calls itself the Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity, or VIPS, said there was an insider leak that occurred thanks to someone with access to a DNC computer.
The VIPS were formed in 2003 to protest the way the administration of George W. Bush manipulated intelligence to justify the Iraq war, Salon reported.

The VIPS theory relies on forensic findings by independent researchers who go by the pseudonyms “Forensicator” and “Adam Carter.” The former found that 1,976 MB of Guccifer’s files were copied from a DNC server on July 5 in just 87 seconds, implying a transfer rate of 22.6 megabytes per second — or, converted to a measure most people use, about 180 megabits per second, a speed not commonly available from U.S. internet providers. Downloading such files this quickly over the internet, especially over a VPN (most hackers would use one), would have been all but impossible because the network infrastructure through which the traffic would have to pass would further slow the traffic.”

https://nypost.com/2017/08/15/new-report-claims-dnc-hack-was-an-inside-job-not-russia/
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-08-10/why-some-u-s-ex-spies-don-t-buy-the-russia-story


6 posted on 02/17/2018 9:23:42 AM PST by Para-Ord.45 (Americans, happy in tutelage by the reflection that they have chosen their own dictators.)
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On the evidence so far, President Trump has been the biggest victim of that effort, and he ought to be furious at Vladimir Putin.

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He should be furious at the corrupt media, the corrupt Democrats, and then Putin in that order.


7 posted on 02/17/2018 9:25:19 AM PST by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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If it was actually done by Russian Intelligence, it was totally ineffective.

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But with the help of the media and the Democrats it’s been highly effective.


8 posted on 02/17/2018 9:26:16 AM PST by Moonman62 (Make America Great Again!)
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To: Para-Ord.45

Speaking of Obama...yimach shmo...Israel should indict him for interfering in their elections. Ditto Canada.


9 posted on 02/17/2018 9:28:38 AM PST by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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What about the Hundreds of Thousands of Dollars Obama spent to try and out Benjamin Netanyahu in his re-election?! These evil people can dish it out, but when someone does it to them they scream foul and throw a tantrum!


10 posted on 02/17/2018 9:28:46 AM PST by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: thinden

Isn’t that what propaganda is, a kernel (russian internet trolls) of truth. Woven around it is a ball of lies.

DNC/Hillary/Brennan/Comey/Media point to the kernel, a few russian trolls, and could, can,still do, imply and maintain that makes Trump and Republicans all Russian spies who hacked and stole the election.

No doubt the DNC,Obama and the Deep State knowing of the internet trolling decided to use it to accuse opponents of “Collusion”.


11 posted on 02/17/2018 9:29:39 AM PST by Para-Ord.45 (Americans, happy in tutelage by the reflection that they have chosen their own dictators.)
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why hasn't an additional year of investigation led to any indictments relating to the hacking?

One word:

Seth Rich.

*Assange knows*

12 posted on 02/17/2018 9:30:51 AM PST by bagster (Even bad men love their mamas.)
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To: Para-Ord.45

Have to subscribe in order to read the full story. No thanks


13 posted on 02/17/2018 9:36:25 AM PST by COBOL2Java (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen)
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To: Para-Ord.45
On the (Obama, DemoRat, Deep Swamp Fabricated) evidence so far, President Trump has been the biggest victim of that effort, and he ought to be furious at Vladimir Putin.

Sure he should, after all they, and the Enemedia all worked for Putin for free, Putin got a much better deal from the DemoRat American Traitors executing a Coup against President Trump, he should be mad, (snicker).

14 posted on 02/17/2018 10:23:17 AM PST by Navy Patriot (America returns to the Rule of Law)
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Yup.
Obama knew, it was on his watch. So then Hillary and the DNC knew.
They used this kernel of truth and spun a huge web of lies around it. That being ‘Trump is a Russian spy colluding with Putin to hack the election’. The dominant media took their red meat and attacked , never relenting.

Isn`t that THE definition of Propaganda?

They went further, created their own russian propaganda, aka Steel dossier, and used that to obtain FISA warrants to spy on anyone who opposed them.


15 posted on 02/17/2018 10:26:35 AM PST by Para-Ord.45 (Americans, happy in tutelage by the reflection that they have chosen their own dictators.)
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"Maybe because the FBI did not get their hands on the Hard-drives and possibly did not want to as it would blow their false narrative out of the water and reveal the download speed to be too fast if it were a Russian 5000 miles away."

Yes, I remember that story about the Internet speed. This is precisely why government officials need to be put under oath on this matter. We need to know if Mueller ever looked into this and - if not - why not?

Since the alleged DNC hacking was the original basis for the entire investigation, failure to delve into that matter would put the entire investigation under suspicion. It would strongly suggest that the DNC hacking story was just a pretext for launching an anti-Trump witch hunt. It would also suggest that high-ranking government officials were lying through their teeth.
16 posted on 02/17/2018 10:41:42 AM PST by Steve_Seattle
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The group, which calls itself the Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity, or VIPS

This group has absolutely no credibility...look them up on FR's keyword search feature.... they were part of the same group that, with the former ambassador to Gabon, Joe Wilson and wife Valerie Plame [who have since gone into supporting the Global Zero nuclear reduction project, a reincarnation of the old KGB supported Nuclear Freeze movement], they were also involved in the setup of Scooter Libby, and they were also involved in the Niger forgeries affair which worked to the advantage of the French company that provided "security" for yellowcake in Niger...Cotecna. They swore up and down that Niger's uranium was secure despite it later turning up in Libya.

VIPS is an anti-Semitic Lyndon LaRouche -linked organization started by Ray McGovern, one that supported John Kerry [which might explain their French] in 2004 and Obama against Hillary. Like LaRouche, they are adept at appearing to be hyperpatriots on one hand, but then in bed with the communists on another, sowing discord between US allies such as the UK and Israel.

They also affiliate with Dan Ellesberg's leaker project which is intended to cripple US intelligence.

And at least one of their number, Karen Kwiatkowski, attached herself to Ted Kennedy and fed him nonsense about the DoD. One of their bunch threatened a Freeper here some years ago when the freeper argued against one of their conspiracy theories.

Another was Tyler Drumheller, a source for Hillary's pal Sid Blumenthal. They're also frequently found in connection with Russia Today, and have been contributors to it. Ray McGovern and Jill Stein attended the awards event for RT and sat at Putin's table along with one of Trump's staffers, and likely are responsible for setting him up.

Their efforts to attach themselves to Trump are part of the reason Trump's got the cloud of suspicion over his head even in the eye of other conservatives.

17 posted on 02/17/2018 10:47:31 AM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: BenLurkin

They all believed Hillary was going to walk away with the election.


18 posted on 02/17/2018 10:49:33 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike ("You can avoid reality, but you can't avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.")
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To: Para-Ord.45

2003: (RAY MCGOVERN AND FRIENDS FOUND VIPS) In 2003, together with other former CIA employees, McGovern founded the Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity or VIPS.

2005: (VIP’S RAY MCGOVERN TESTIFIES AT FORUM CONVENED BY DEMOCRAT JOHN CONYERS OF MICHIGAN ON THE DOWNING STREET MEMO -— see VIPS, DANIEL ELLSBERG) McGovern testified at a Democratic National Headquarters forum in 2005 that had been convened by Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.) of the House Judiciary Committee on the Downing Street Memo.


19 posted on 02/17/2018 11:05:39 AM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: Para-Ord.45
Under what laws are they charging them?
20 posted on 02/17/2018 11:09:23 AM PST by DannyTN
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